Question (and debate).

[davo]

Originally Posted by Veritas

Hitler was a catholic? He killed 100,000 priest and millons of catholics. And full support from the Vatican? They rescued thousands of Jews in secret during the war.

And pedophile priests? It's less than .5% of catholic priests. And the church is and institute made of humans. Humans are flawed. Bad people exist.

Your claims are slanderous and ignorant.

For how shall we fill people with blind faith in the correctness of a doctrine, if we ourselves spread uncertainty and doubt by constant changes in its outward structure?
...Here, too, we can learn by the example of the Catholic Church. Though its doctrinal edifice, and in part quite superfluously, comes into collision with exact science and research, it is none the less unwilling to sacrifice so much as one little syllable of its dogmas... it is only such dogmas which lend to the whole body the character of a faith.
-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.
-Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)

[Centauri]

Originally Posted by Veritas

Hitler was a catholic? He killed 100,000 priest and millons of catholics. And full support from the Vatican? They rescued thousands of Jews in secret during the war.

Nein, Herr Veritas. The Vatican was in full support of anti-Jewish sentiment, as they have for hundreds of years. They fully supported Hitler and did nothing to stop the mass murder of Jews. They considered the Jews to be "christ-killers", and conveniently turned a blind eye to the gas chambers burning around them.

They can never apologise enough for that.



So.... how does it feel to have Adolf Hitler as one of your fellow Catholics? Seig Heil!

[Veritas]

Child raping: if less than .5% of an organization engages in this AND the other members call it wrong, can you really make this claim.

Zombie worshipping: now you twist wording of my beliefs to ridicule them.

Cannibalistic: see above.

Death-cult: provide some evidence to this one.

[Sieveboy]

Originally Posted by Veritas

@protium: base, unsupported, slander.

I could call atheism a nihilistic, anti-reason vehicle for Nazism and communism that causes seriously fucked up issues in society.

But I won't.

Oh for fucks sake.

Godwins law.

Veritas, go watch this guy nonstampcollector.

Or look up, Gott Mitt Uns. the Nazis had that on their fucking belt buckles.

[davo]

Hitler Youth Day badge :

[Veritas]

The catholic church managed to get thousands of Jews out of Nazi Europe. Read some history.

Hitler feigned support of the church to gain support of the largply catholic Germany. In reality, he sought to abolish it.

And Nazism was, in fact, and atheistic government.

[Goldenmane]

Originally Posted by Veritas

Yes, philsophy fucking means something!

Why don't you deny western culture buddy?

Read some Plato, or aristotle.

I've read some Plato. The fucker was responsible for ideas which held the human species back for centuries, and in some cases seem still to be doing so.

Plato was a fantasist.

[ABridgeTooFar]

Originally Posted by Veritas

Of course God doesn't need a cause. That's the whole arguement, that's the nature of God. He is the unmoved mover.

Learn some metaphysics.

Noooo, you can't have it both ways.

If God didn't have a cause, then that contradicts your statement "Everything must have a cause" What put God in motion huh?


If thats your whole argument, then your whole argument is wrong. The only one here who needs to learn some metaphysics and basic logic is you.

[Veritas]

Why is a priest "death-loving"?

Please explain.

[Veritas]

I never said it as an absolute.

Go read Thomas aquinas: the five ways to prove God.