Question (and debate).

[davo]

Originally Posted by Veritas

Yes a man resurrected from the dead obviously is about death not life.

That's another interesting point.

How come Mark, the first gospel written that the others extend upon, written by Paul based on his 'visions' has no mention whatsoever of a resurrection?

The other gospels written later have more and more whiz bang stuff added, in order, like more angels, more witnesses etc.

You would think something like the resurrection, the most important facet of christian belief, would have been in the first gospel eh?

But anyway, they are nice bronze age stories, based on stone age myths from the jewish historicity. bit bloodthirsty and immoral for my taste. I wouldn't read it to kids.

[Veritas]

That's the nature of God. The universe must have had a force that was always existing to be in existence in the first place. And yeah maybe you should read the "summa theologica" it would explain alot.

[Goldenmane]

Originally Posted by Veritas

Zombie worshipping: now you twist wording of my beliefs to ridicule them.

Cannibalistic: see above.

Death-cult: provide some evidence to this one.

Of course it's a death-cult. It relies entirely upon the notion that death-magic must be used to propitiate the all-seeing deity, lest his eternal wrath descend upon the poor bastards who may have done nothing to deserve it.

According to the stories, said god created innocent creatures who had no notion of concepts of good and evil, and then were placed in a situation wherein (because the god knows everything, including exactly what was going to happen) inevitably became subject to an inheritable magical stain that can only be washed out "with the blood of the Lamb" - thus necessitating that the god magically incarnate in the form of an illiterate laborer in the arse-end of the Roman Empire, to live an allegedly blame-free life (which involved all sorts of things like stealing donkeys and fomenting insurrection), and be horribly tortured to death in order to prevent the eternal torture of a small number of people who are gullible enough to believe that this foul, squalid little tale was anything other than murderous bullshit...

Toss in the whole transubstantiation malarkey, where wafers magically turn literally into flesh and wine into blood (without actually changing in any noticeable way) and are consumed on a regular basis by the penitent gullible, and it's hard to see how "cannibalistic death-cult" isn't an accurate description.

[Veritas]

And your atheism? You believe apparently that nothing suddenyl burst into something without any sort of cause to it. Things just happened.

[wolty]

Originally Posted by Veritas

The universe must have had a force that was always existing to be in existence in the first place.

How many times do I need to say that to myself before I start believing it? How long did it take for you?

[ABridgeTooFar]

Originally Posted by Veritas

That's the nature of God. The universe must have had a force that was always existing to be in existence in the first place. And yeah maybe you should read the "summa theologica" it would explain alot.

Well that contradicts your statement, either everything must have a cause including God or it doesn't. You can't force the material worldview to stick by these rules but then have it both ways yourself.

Again, whether or not i have read a certain book does not excuse you from contradicting yourself to try and prove a God exists. If EVERYTHING has a cause, that includes God. It can't get any more simpler.

[Veritas]

Fine. Everything has a cause; except God. I've said that. I'm not claiming an absolute.

[davo]

Originally Posted by Veritas

That's the nature of God.

So you keep saying .. claiming without evidence something that has properties that there is no example of anywhere. You just claim this god.

square one ..

The universe must have had a force that was always existing to be in existence in the first place.

So you keep claiming, but provide no evidence, other than just repeating it over and over.

And yeah maybe you should read the "summa theologica" it would explain alot.

I've read it, it's quite a simple minded look on things, not sure your point can you put forward exactly what in the writings you are referring to provides evidence for your argument?

To be honest, it is a pile of bullshit claims and leaps to conclusions. But I will give you a chance to point out the argument in particular you are referencing.

[Sir Patrick Crocodile]

Originally Posted by Veritas

Child raping: if less than .5% of an organization engages in this AND the other members call it wrong, can you really make this claim.

Zombie worshipping: now you twist wording of my beliefs to ridicule them.

Cannibalistic: see above.

Death-cult: provide some evidence to this one.

And who do you think Jesus Christ was? Was he not a zombie? He died, and got resurrected and shit. Zombie.

Child raping? Here ye go

Can't find much about the cannibalism, but as far as I am concerned, you guys seem to enjoy pretending to drink the blood of jesus (in the form of wine) and eating his body (in the form of some wafer thingo) so that comes close.

Originally Posted by Veritas

One priest?

Of course some priest are pedophiles. It's a small percentage. And the church in no way condones them and it is in strict violation of church law.

Apart from the pope, who apparently cavorts about in a bullet proof glass vessel and has NOT called into account the sex offenders of the church.

Originally Posted by Veritas

And potium: your crude, and idiotic.

Don't know who Potium is, but as far as I am concerned, I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't believe in zombies.

[Veritas]

Gods failure to exist? Explain. God gives enough light for those to find who seek, and so that those who do not seek will not find.