NBN "The National Broadband"

[Sir Patrick Crocodile]

Originally Posted by slim

I don't think the NBN will signal the Advent of unlimited capacity to domestic users in Oz.

Usage charges are a function of wholesale transit providers fees and charges in combination with the big T's monopoly on copper access + whatever other providers have their finger in the access layer...

Connectivity into and out of Oz is in a worse state than connectivity within Oz. Until we have access to trans-Pacific capacity beyond Endeavour and Southern Cross cables, we will have usage/volume based services here. The whole of Australia is connected to the rest of the world by five separate cable systems.

Given Conroy et al with their advanced skillzors in the TCP/IP protocol, I do hope that this comes through. Some are still stuck with 14.4 dialup - switching to the 14.41Kbps National Broadband Network + Filter will speed things up significantly. I think this is a GREAT step to improving overall safety through draconion censorship plans coupled with the NBN which is unlikely to be as fast as originally promised, but even still it will be even faster than dialup!

[atuanui]

Here is a map of the cables:
http://www.reach.com/imap/imap.html
somewhere else is better map, but have lost it.

[slim]

Originally Posted by atuanui

Here is a map of the cables:
http://www.reach.com/imap/imap.html
somewhere else is better map, but have lost it.

I've got stacks of these maps here. There is one staring at me right now, in fact...

Problem is that most of our international content is from the USA (surprise surprise), and we're down to two (three if you count Southern-X southern leg) low latency routes to the interwebz...

I hear there is a new trans-Pac consortium cable in the wings now, which ought to help things along... but that must be at least three years away, if it ever eventuates.

[Sir Patrick Crocodile]

Can't actually embed the video, but: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politi...220-19335.html

I think the NBN is a fucking joke. 10 years?! By then, there will guaranteed to be a super advanced form of internet technology, and then the NBN will come out and make our Internet connections look like a fucking joke!

[loubert]

Originally Posted by Crocodile

Can't actually embed the video, but: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politi...220-19335.html

I think the NBN is a fucking joke. 10 years?! By then, there will guaranteed to be a super advanced form of internet technology, and then the NBN will come out and make our Internet connections look like a fucking joke!

Sorry but got anything to back up that assertion of Internet tech?

[Sir Patrick Crocodile]

Originally Posted by loubert

Sorry but got anything to back up that assertion of Internet tech?

If we look at 2011, we currently have what is called "Web 2.0" - and dynamic multimedia applications. In addition, we have connections of 20Mbps (well that's mine is supposed to be anyway) and higher and now the majority of the population in Australia have the internet; and others in the world do as well - back in around 2001 dial-up was what many had, a few had Broadband, and many didn't even have the internet.

Talking about websites, in 2001 we didn't have dynamic multimedia applications and rich internet applications to the extent we have now.

Who knows what we'll have by 2021 - technology does evolve with time, and usually it doesn't take long.

[cyclist]

The NBN is more about the infrastructure especially covering the "last mile" problem.

If you just consider it that the government is simply laying miles of fibre optic cable and it goes right to your front door, then I think that it is a good thing.

Yes, what we consider to be acceptable internet speeds today will be disgustingly slow in 10 years time, but the speed of light will still be the same. Our current copper network is running into issues. I had it recently at home, my ADSL2 speed went south, and it took a month to find the problem. The fault was with the line between the Unit's MDF and the connection on the street.

James

[Fromm_Nicht]

Originally Posted by Crocodile

Can't actually embed the video, but: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politi...220-19335.html

10 years?! By then, there will guaranteed to be a super advanced form of internet technology

Yep, and the NBN will provide the light speed fibre network through which to transmit such speeds. I hope croc, that as a budding engineer, you are not suggesting wireless technologies will exceed the speed of light in the next ten years...

[Sir Patrick Crocodile]

I'm not suggesting anything will exceed the speed of light, but of course new things do pop up. The budget may increase, for example.

Although wireless technology is improving neverthless, but I doubt it will replace wired technology any time soon at this stage.

And with the light-speed network, comes the catch of a possible Internet filter which Conroy wants to introduce; this centralized filtering mechanism he appears to be proposing will slow the otherwise fast Internet connection.

Of course, so far I'm seeing more talk and very little doing, but in this case I hope I am horribly wrong.

[Fromm_Nicht]

Originally Posted by Crocodile

I'm not suggesting anything will exceed the speed of light, but of course new things do pop up. The budget may increase, for example.

Although wireless technology is improving neverthless, but I doubt it will replace wired technology any time soon at this stage.

And with the light-speed network, comes the catch of a possible Internet filter which Conroy wants to introduce; this centralized filtering mechanism he appears to be proposing will slow the otherwise fast Internet connection.

Of course, so far I'm seeing more talk and very little doing, but in this case I hope I am horribly wrong.

Ah I see, so your major concern with the NBN is that Conroy will try to stuff his filter in it? Hopefully, with the opposition having stated they will oppose it and the greens opposing it, the filter will never see the light of day.

As I understand it (and feel free to correct me as I'm sure there are many here better educated on this than I), fibre wire has potential transfer speeds of up to (almost) the speed of light and so far there have not even been any scientific findings (let alone the following technological development) for more efficient technologies. Having said that it does seem that replacement technologies for fibre are a good several decades off at least (these things take time from discovery to testing to implementation).