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#1
23rd September 2017, 11:56 PM
 peterthames Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Perth WA Posts: 451
This was offered up as evidence

This was offered up as evidence for the healing power of Jesus, comments and possible other reasons for me to return please.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2wkI1wxr8A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2wkI1wxr8A
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#2
24th September 2017, 06:52 AM
 The Irreverent Mr Black Everyone Belongs Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Toontown Posts: 6,616
Re: This was offered up as evidence

I'm not watching 9:19 of that annoying announcer.

What is supposed to have happened, and why is it of concern?
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Ludwig Boltzman, who spent much of his life studying statistical mechanics, died in 1906, by his own hand.
Paul Ehrenfest, carrying on the work, died similarly in 1933.
Now it is our turn to study statistical mechanics.
Perhaps it will be wise to approach the subject cautiously.
(Opening lines of "States of Matter", by D.L. Goodstein).

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#3
24th September 2017, 09:02 AM
 The Irreverent Mr Black Everyone Belongs Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Toontown Posts: 6,616
Re: This was offered up as evidence

Sorry, Peter, I should have given a longer reply. This dump-something-short-and-go thing must be contagious.

Who, apart from the 700 Club (a broadcaster of the Pat Robertson style of xtian extremist wibble, is offering this video as evidence?

Why is it "evidence" at all? There's no peer-reviewed scientific evidence of any results. Tom and Jerry is available on video: should I believe in mice with hatchets?

Did you find any points in the video compelling, or otherwise?

This "possible other reasons for me to return please" - to whom are you returning these reasons?
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Ludwig Boltzman, who spent much of his life studying statistical mechanics, died in 1906, by his own hand.
Paul Ehrenfest, carrying on the work, died similarly in 1933.
Now it is our turn to study statistical mechanics.
Perhaps it will be wise to approach the subject cautiously.
(Opening lines of "States of Matter", by D.L. Goodstein).

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#4
24th September 2017, 09:21 AM
 Loki You get what everyone gets....you get a lifetime Moderator Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Up the creek Posts: 11,151
Re: This was offered up as evidence

Watched it.

If you believe that on face value I have a bridge you may be interested in taking off my hands real cheap.
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#5
24th September 2017, 09:25 AM
 Goldenmane Cuss-tard Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 7,524
Re: This was offered up as evidence

Story is story.
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#6
24th September 2017, 09:15 PM
 peterthames Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Perth WA Posts: 451
Re: This was offered up as evidence

I was sent the link by someone I know after we had a discussion on the matter, I replied with the following, but thought I would put it on the board here for a second opinion. "Thanks for the links, while an interesting story I see no link between her instant recovery and a super natural entity, more likely her inner strength and the power of suggestion and time was what it took for her to begin to walk. without further investigation that is what I see, sorry don't buy that pray or God did it."
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#7
24th September 2017, 09:25 PM
 The Irreverent Mr Black Everyone Belongs Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Toontown Posts: 6,616
Re: This was offered up as evidence

Peter, Goldenmane's reply "Story is story" is probably all you need.

Your link-passing friend did no homework on proving the truth or otherwise of the story, and such laziness deserves no work on your part.
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Ludwig Boltzman, who spent much of his life studying statistical mechanics, died in 1906, by his own hand.
Paul Ehrenfest, carrying on the work, died similarly in 1933.
Now it is our turn to study statistical mechanics.
Perhaps it will be wise to approach the subject cautiously.
(Opening lines of "States of Matter", by D.L. Goodstein).

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#8
24th September 2017, 09:35 PM
 Loki You get what everyone gets....you get a lifetime Moderator Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Up the creek Posts: 11,151
Re: This was offered up as evidence

I don't see evidence of instant recovery or miraculous cure.

I see theatre designed to impress the gullible.

Without a medical history and input from unbiased qualified professionals familiar with the case the most likely scenario is deception imo.

Think about it, if you had not walked for 20 years and had indeed been completely unable to walk, would you remember how? Would you have the muscle memory (or the muscle tone) to coordinate the complex interactions involved?

People need intensive and prolonged PT to learn to walk again after a couple of months in hospital following an accident. To think someone could just leap up and walk after 20 years in a chair is ludicrous, even if you assume (for the sake of argument) that the underlying condition had mysteriously and completely healed.
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#9
25th September 2017, 03:35 AM
 hackenslash Trust me, I'm not a doctor. Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: People's Republic of Mancunia, Antipodes Posts: 1,606
Re: This was offered up as evidence

Even if you take it as read that there was some sort of miraculous recovery, there's a pernicious logical fallacy underlying the assumption that Jesus is to blame. The name for this fallacy is 'affirming the consequent'.

To expose this, propositional calculus is your friend:

$$P \rightarrow Q, Q \therefore P$$

For a syllogistic example:

1. All men are mortal
2. Socrates was mortal
C: Therefore, Socrates was a man

One might think that looks OK, right until I tell you that Socrates was my neighbour's cat, who was run over last week (I made that up; the cat was called Heidegger).

Point is, men aren't the only things that are mortal, and this conclusion discounts all of them

In the case of the apologist, they're overlooking all sorts of not only possible but plausible explanations and running with their preferred conclusion, which can't even be said to be possible.
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#10
25th September 2017, 03:15 PM
 The Irreverent Mr Black Everyone Belongs Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Toontown Posts: 6,616
Re: This was offered up as evidence

The anecdotal thingy isn't evidence in itself.
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EJB

Ludwig Boltzman, who spent much of his life studying statistical mechanics, died in 1906, by his own hand.
Paul Ehrenfest, carrying on the work, died similarly in 1933.
Now it is our turn to study statistical mechanics.
Perhaps it will be wise to approach the subject cautiously.
(Opening lines of "States of Matter", by D.L. Goodstein).

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