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Old 23rd September 2017, 11:56 PM
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This was offered up as evidence for the healing power of Jesus, comments and possible other reasons for me to return please.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2wkI1wxr8A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2wkI1wxr8A
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I'm not watching 9:19 of that annoying announcer.

What is supposed to have happened, and why is it of concern?
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Old 24th September 2017, 09:02 AM
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Sorry, Peter, I should have given a longer reply. This dump-something-short-and-go thing must be contagious.

Who, apart from the 700 Club (a broadcaster of the Pat Robertson style of xtian extremist wibble, is offering this video as evidence?

Why is it "evidence" at all? There's no peer-reviewed scientific evidence of any results. Tom and Jerry is available on video: should I believe in mice with hatchets?

Did you find any points in the video compelling, or otherwise?

This "possible other reasons for me to return please" - to whom are you returning these reasons?
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Watched it.

If you believe that on face value I have a bridge you may be interested in taking off my hands real cheap.
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Story is story.
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I was sent the link by someone I know after we had a discussion on the matter, I replied with the following, but thought I would put it on the board here for a second opinion. "Thanks for the links, while an interesting story I see no link between her instant recovery and a super natural entity, more likely her inner strength and the power of suggestion and time was what it took for her to begin to walk. without further investigation that is what I see, sorry don't buy that pray or God did it."
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Peter, Goldenmane's reply "Story is story" is probably all you need.

Your link-passing friend did no homework on proving the truth or otherwise of the story, and such laziness deserves no work on your part.
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I don't see evidence of instant recovery or miraculous cure.

I see theatre designed to impress the gullible.

Without a medical history and input from unbiased qualified professionals familiar with the case the most likely scenario is deception imo.

Think about it, if you had not walked for 20 years and had indeed been completely unable to walk, would you remember how? Would you have the muscle memory (or the muscle tone) to coordinate the complex interactions involved?

People need intensive and prolonged PT to learn to walk again after a couple of months in hospital following an accident. To think someone could just leap up and walk after 20 years in a chair is ludicrous, even if you assume (for the sake of argument) that the underlying condition had mysteriously and completely healed.
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Even if you take it as read that there was some sort of miraculous recovery, there's a pernicious logical fallacy underlying the assumption that Jesus is to blame. The name for this fallacy is 'affirming the consequent'.

To expose this, propositional calculus is your friend:

\( P \rightarrow Q, Q \therefore P \)

For a syllogistic example:

1. All men are mortal
2. Socrates was mortal
C: Therefore, Socrates was a man

One might think that looks OK, right until I tell you that Socrates was my neighbour's cat, who was run over last week (I made that up; the cat was called Heidegger).

Point is, men aren't the only things that are mortal, and this conclusion discounts all of them

In the case of the apologist, they're overlooking all sorts of not only possible but plausible explanations and running with their preferred conclusion, which can't even be said to be possible.
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The anecdotal thingy isn't evidence in itself.
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