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Old 27th August 2017, 11:36 AM
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Is there any known example of atheists killing people for not being atheists?

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Old 27th August 2017, 12:54 PM
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Is there any known example of atheists killing people for not being atheists?
Hello, GPF.

I don't think so, but I'm curious why you ask.

Disclaimer: Offer does not preclude killing for any other reason.
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Old 27th August 2017, 12:55 PM
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Is there any known example of atheists killing people for not being atheists?

Just curious...

Well there's a difficult one aye. As far as I know no, but then ascribing motives to people you don't like is common among human social groups so there are theists who would claim yes. Without going through and refuting every single claim you can never be 100% certain, but I try not to ascribe motives without some sort of evidence.


Of course the other question is, has an atheist ever killed another person for being religious (analogous to an atheist being killed for not being religious), which is a different question to the first. Depending on their religion and behaviour you could kill a person for being religious without necessarily killing that person for not being an atheist.


I think it comes down to this, people are complex, atheists are people, therefore atheists are complex. An atheist with some sort of mental illness may kill a person because they aren't an atheist, but can we ascribe that to their atheism or their mental illness?


My answer on first thought is no, but it's a complicated no!
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Old 27th August 2017, 01:06 PM
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Hello, GPF.

I don't think so, but I'm curious why you ask.

Disclaimer: Offer does not preclude killing for any other reason.
Maybe I didn't pose the question very well, but I don't know of any examples of people killing in the name of Atheism - let alone any wars started in the name of atheism. The flip side of my own atheism is that I do blame a lot of human woes on religion.

Not that I would outlaw religions if I had that power. But I would certainly tax every cent that they have coming in, with the only exemption being money provably spent on welfare or community programs that are not solely or mostly devoted to converting anyone.
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Old 27th August 2017, 01:08 PM
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Well there's a difficult one aye. As far as I know no, but then ascribing motives to people you don't like is common among human social groups so there are theists who would claim yes. Without going through and refuting every single claim you can never be 100% certain, but I try not to ascribe motives without some sort of evidence.


Of course the other question is, has an atheist ever killed another person for being religious (analogous to an atheist being killed for not being religious), which is a different question to the first. Depending on their religion and behaviour you could kill a person for being religious without necessarily killing that person for not being an atheist.


I think it comes down to this, people are complex, atheists are people, therefore atheists are complex. An atheist with some sort of mental illness may kill a person because they aren't an atheist, but can we ascribe that to their atheism or their mental illness?


My answer on first thought is no, but it's a complicated no!
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thank you for your considered reply!
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@GPF - No argument on the tax matter. Actually, the AFA made a submission to the Senate waaaaay back, arguing exactly the same kind of public-benefit test.
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I remember a story about a guy who called himself an atheists killing some Muslims - so I googled it - Chappel Hill: http://www.newstatesman.com/politics...uslim-students.

So atheists are not immune from insanity, who'da thought!
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I remember a story about a guy who called himself an atheists killing some Muslim's - so I googled it - Chappel Hill: http://www.newstatesman.com/politics...uslim-students.

So atheists are not immune from insanity, who'da thought!
You don't need to go far to discover that, Odd! (whistles nonchalantly)

But that Hicks guy? Gun nut + "anti-theist"

And keen on enforcing parking privileges.

Complex, innit?
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I remember a story about a guy who called himself an atheists killing some Muslims - so I googled it - Chappel Hill: http://www.newstatesman.com/politics...uslim-students.

So atheists are not immune from insanity, who'da thought!
That's some nice spin by the NewStatesman.

They have merely used his atheism to do the spinning.

His FB had these comments:

"Seems an overwhelming majority of Christians in this country feel that the Muslims are using the Ground Zero mosque plans to 'mark their conquest [...] bunch of hypocrites, everywhere I've been in this country there are churches marking the Christian conquest of this country from the Native Americans."

"I hate Islam just as much as Christianity, but they have the right to worship in this country just as much as any others do."

"I give your religion as much respect as your religion gives me [...] there's nothing complicated about it, and I have every right to insult a religion that goes out of its way to insult, to judge, and to condemn me as an inadequate human being—which your religion does with self-righteous gusto."

the neighbors claimed the killing was motivated by a dispute over parking and both the DA and his wife concluded that there was no religious aspect to the killing whatsoever.

Did he have personality or other issues? Quite possibly. The twice divorced Hicks was obsessed with the movie "Falling Down" which followed the slow breakdown into violence of a man with whom he obviously identified with strongly.

But the point for our discussion is that no - his atheism and the religion of the victims were not contributing factors.
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Wow! All this, and we're just on the welcome mat.

I'm having Jay Hoover Witness flashbacks.
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