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Old 28th June 2017, 07:02 PM
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As mentioned elsewhere, laziness is probably the most parsimonious answer when discussing the Australian Public Service.
Geez workmx, I had to look that one up.

parsimonious - very unwilling to spend money or use resources.

I must have been hanging around charitable souls. Can't recall ever hearing it used.

Yeah and no one gives a shit. But not when an atheist is talking to a chrisitian, public servant. Then anything can happen.
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Old 28th June 2017, 08:00 PM
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I was thinking more of economy of explanation (ie: Occam's razor).

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Old 28th June 2017, 10:01 PM
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To tell you the truth your writing is largely impossible to read. There are other things to do with life than to read your stuff. I read a sentence, and it doesn't make sense. So I skip ten sentences and then the next one I read doesn't make sense either. I skip through your posts like that and frankly nothing comes out as making any sense in what you are writing. And no I don't have to read all of your posts to come to that conclusion. A suitably sized random sampling of sentences is enough to indicate that there is no sense there and that equally importantly it would be incredibly boring to read it all too.
You've landed here in your first thread as if its the end of a journey. Potentially it could be the start of a journey but it would be a fairly short and unhappy one if you just talk at us all rather than with us.
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Old 28th June 2017, 10:21 PM
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To tell you the truth your writing is largely impossible to read. There are other things to do with life than to read your stuff. I read a sentence, and it doesn't make sense. So I skip ten sentences and then the next one I read doesn't make sense either. I skip through your posts like that and frankly nothing comes out as making any sense in what you are writing. And no I don't have to read all of your posts to come to that conclusion. A suitably sized random sampling of sentences is enough to indicate that there is no sense there and that equally importantly it would be incredibly boring to read it all too.
You've landed here in your first thread as if its the end of a journey. Potentially it could be the start of a journey but it would be a fairly short and unhappy one if you just talk at us all rather than with us.
I posted originally in a hurry, and was unable to sort after due to not moderated as yet. Then I got confused with replies over meetings.


From Subject, on is the email I sent them.

It doesn't all have to make sense to you. They know what it means. Are you a christian? The issues are what's important.

If you can see any issue real issue with what I have accused happen or lack of evidence on their web site and in what I have written, please let me know. It would be helpful. It would be better for the country(maybe not for atheists) if I had to call back and tell them I had fucked up and I am sorry.

I spent days trying to see it not look so bad. I looked for sepecialists in the reports. There was a sunmission from a 78 year old ex preist where he stated the magic was as full on as ever, and portrayed them as a blood thirsty beast. Reading all of the shit, was not fun.

I challenged them with the accusations. Gave them time. They had no answer, and were still shocked over being just an entity. "We didn't think of it", was the best.

I don't know what is going on. I am waiting on Police complaints, over the fat fuck telling me "Get Out". Simply for saying, "I would like an atheist police officer". That was all that was said, and I think he was not happy with the Catholic census numbers. Will try my Police contact tomorrow. Though complaints are due to call, and may be able to do better, with a higher ranked atheist.

I will also talk to the police about multiple officers all stating that a church is special, and a that a secular government does not treat them the same. I will suggest some sort of training on who and what an atheist is. So hopefully in the future they won't be so defensive.
Makes sense. I don't talk to any christians, apart from relatives.

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Old 28th June 2017, 11:04 PM
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Hi David, you're clearly passionate about this very serious accusation and i have no doubt you would find some very sympathetic ears on this forum and possibly some very significant support and advice for any future actions. However, speaking personally, i'm not entirely sure what you are saying exactly, beyond sweeping allegations of xtian collusion within the commission that seem to be based on a series of manically described anecdotal personal interactions.

Its just not enough without a clear narrative and a bit of evidence.

Perhaps detail one single point, with evidence and some detail and why what has happened is illegal? Also, how realistically such illegality might be pursued?

In any case, rest assured, you wont find any defenders of the humans that the commission is examining here. Read through the forum, xtians don't really hang out here and when they do they spend their time pointlessly trying to defend their beliefs, they're pretty obvious.
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Old 28th June 2017, 11:11 PM
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@Dave you won't find tolerance here for the notion that "hey I'm better than a Christian because I'm not".
Human beings are multifaceted creatures. Sure some have got some stupid ideas stuck in there but its important to get along with all people great and small as far as possible.

You're obviously pretty steaming hot about Christianity but hopefully you will settle down sometime soon and look at things more calmly.
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Old 29th June 2017, 06:41 AM
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Its just not enough without a clear narrative and a bit of evidence.

Perhaps detail one single point, with evidence and some detail and why what has happened is illegal? Also, how realistically such illegality might be pursued
1. They failed to follow the Terms of Reference.
2. Failed to disclose relationships.
3. Failure of the separation of church and state.
4. All staff are christian. Victims were fed to christians.
5. Lack of diversity and representation.
6. No secular specialists. One USA Christian lawyer, One USA Catholic on sexual abuse mental health. No history, no fitness test recommended, no explanation of who these entities are.
7. Excluding atheists from counselling.
8. No staff education about non-believers, and how to recognise the reflex defenses their belief causes. Understanding for the life of a non believer in a non-secular community, perhaps?.

This is off the top of my head. With the factual belief that I have no super powers and am only too fallible and make mistakes all of the time. Thereby as a human, I continuously re-check myself and seek review. I claim to, have possibly "stuffed up" a point, and definitely failed to recall all issues.

The first point is really enough, no? Please find one document, that is not the Terms of Reference, where this is dealt with. One news report where it was mentioned. One news report where submissions for non sexual abuse were called for. (It would obviously take more than one to help, and it would have to be pretty remarkable). There is also the paragraph further down about if the whole experience of these institutions is beneficial to the child. Can you not see how these two items are threatening to them?

Ring them yourself and talk to the staff to confirm. I can offer no more than to relay what I spoke to them about. What evidence I offer in regard to what was said is really moot anyway.

What evidence is needed for anything else. What is in place is the reality. It is a fact, in the Public Domain. All calls are supposed to be recorded. How they got there requires investigation and explanation.

They have had their bible goggles on. The cause is that they do not think of themselves as a normal secular individual, or entity. Does anyone think a secular government should call churches "Special"?

I tried, and tried to find an explanation, and would be glad to be rid of this responsibility. I want to be wrong. If all warrants exposure, this will be terribly traumatic for so many people.
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Old 29th June 2017, 06:59 AM
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@Dave you won't find tolerance here for the notion that "hey I'm better than a Christian because I'm not".
That makes no sense to me, how could I reason such a conclusion?

I am on an atheist forum using language that is understood by atheists, and should not cause offense? That is the dislike of the damage religion does, and it's exposure to the vulnerable, and to us. To me, the idea deserves no respect. Do you have evidence to the contrary?

What does deserve respect is initial secular encounters, and the people involved. But if the other party starts offending. Then I'm sorry, but they are not "special", and their offense demands opposition. Especially were it can damage lives. The language used in the email was appropriate consider the personal interactions I had. This was my personal email to them after a long period of time. My personal rant over the offense I felt is just that. The information is what I am sharing. I am extremely compassionate toward these people and have tried to present as politely as possible when dealing with them. I have gone the extra mile.

Ring them and ask for the manager. Ask him if I have been fair. I claim no privacy over this, and will call him first if you need.

PS The issues I am describing with christians is not applicable at all to "95%" of interactions. *Quotes denoting statistic pulled from my arse, and accuracy is moot.

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Old 29th June 2017, 08:03 AM
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Selective quoting by me.
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I am on an atheist forum using language that is understood by atheists
But, are you, in fact, understood, David?

I have been through your words, and demonstrably better minds than mine have also looked for some evidence that the Royal Commission has, as you claim, breached its terms of reference.

You may be making a mistake, or you may not have fully explained your claim.

So far, I wouldn't put money on you, even at generous odds.
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Old 29th June 2017, 08:56 AM
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I really don't understand. I clarified, and listed specific issues unrelated to what I personally may say or do, and just did it again. These points of review are ignored and a general comment is made in return. Specifics man!

Just because I stereotype a christian among "my supposed" peers does not automatically say that I would do the same in general.

Take me posting the words "fat fuck". Personally that was very hard for me to say. I told someone the story that led to those words. I said I don't think I have ever said that before. The person said "no you don't but I do all the time. Fat fuck". I wasn't offended, I knew the person, we were in private. In this instance, it really is the most descriptive word to me, yet I still find it offensive. So I have weird standards, and often just don't know.

Now we may not be in complete privacy and there are varying views. Those views surely have a fairly wide threshold. Especially considering the socially controversial subject, and the need for activism to some. You will never see me yell at a person of faith in abuse, or attack out off nowhere.

Though all bets are off if I was to ever be involved in some sort of crazy altercation or such. That is, I cannot promise how my emotions would go at any future time. So all I can do is use my subjective view and knowledge of people as best as I can. I don't expect of others even that much, and am rarely let down. Is there a specific offensive, that perhaps needs explanation?

You will just have to think of me as sometimes inappropriate, and I am sure that fits.

Enough of the philosophical virtual crap. Identify something.
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