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Old 24th June 2017, 11:05 AM
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It seems I just got banned from the AFA and GAC facebook pages after the following post.

I have been eagerly looking forward to the GAC since the 2012 event which was simply awesome. I had held off buying tickets though because the speaker list was seriously below the standard of 2012 and I was waiting for further announcements, waiting to see the big names of atheism again. Then I see Tracey Spicer (wouldn't have made the podium in 2012) and Clementine Ford (https://twitter.com/clementine_ford/...19766878826496) (https://twitter.com/clementine_ford/status/658251930469199872?lang=en) (https://antifeminismaustralia.com/clementine-ford-man-bashing-quotes/) It seems the AFA have not only reverted to atheism plus but are inviting hateful sexist people to speak who have no credentials relevant to atheism. Perhaps the AFA have overlooked the divisive nature of atheism plus or have wrongly assumed that all atheists are feminists and SJWs. You have weakened the atheist movement in Australia and you have achieved what I thought would be impossible ... you have fucked the global atheist convention.
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Ahh cherry picking. Who else does that? Hmm.

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Old 24th June 2017, 05:37 PM
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From what i saw of her on twitter she instigates abuse and commonly jokes about men's murder or death. Her bullying of schoolchildren on social media crossed a line though. But hey if i am cherry picking her jokes about killing men and intimidation of children on social media unfairly perhaps you could show me the proper context ?
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Seriously? Id like to see evidence of this and the back story. Tweets out of context are of little use to anyone.

I suspect the school children you speak of are not the innocent bystanders you seem to suggest they are and that they are adolescent or young adult males who CF has held accountable for their actions and their threats to women. I commend her for not sweeping their actions under the carpet, there's far too many young men that behave like over entitled, privileged little snots who think they can get away anything.

Why are you condemning a person who reports abuse rather than people who abuse exactly? If I was employing young men who threatened women online I'd like to know about it too. They wouldn't be the sort of person I'd want working for me. If these fools are stupid enough to threaten women online while they have published the name of their work place on their profile, they can hardly moan about the consequences of their own stupidity. If anything she's given them a very good life lesson and probably taught them a thing or two.

Oh and what she said about #killallmen was not a joke. She was parodying what others were saying that she said. Ignoring the context in which this was said is somewhat disingenuous too.


Now, where is this evidence of her abuse and the context of the tweets please? You made the claims, you back them up.
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Old 24th June 2017, 07:12 PM
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It seems I just got banned from the AFA and GAC facebook pages after the following post.

I have been eagerly looking forward to the GAC since the 2012 event which was simply awesome. I had held off buying tickets though because the speaker list was seriously below the standard of 2012 and I was waiting for further announcements, waiting to see the big names of atheism again. Then I see Tracey Spicer (wouldn't have made the podium in 2012) and Clementine Ford.
Yeah, its fantastic isn’t it. You know for the previous GACs I sat there listening to Dawkins, Barker and Harris even though they actually didn’t really interest me that much. You see all religions and patriarchal societies feed off misogyny and the subjugation of women so feminism is highly relevant in atheism discourse, however, I don’t really recall hearing anyone complain at the lack of feminist speakers. You know why? Because we realise that atheists are a diverse lot and it’s not all about 'me' and other people want to hear about science things and philosophy stuff. Now feminists get a piece of the pie too. Note though that all those sciencey, philosophy dudes will still be speaking, our feminist speakers just get a look in too. Deal with it.

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It seems the AFA have not only reverted to atheism plus but are inviting hateful sexist people to speak who have no credentials relevant to atheism. Perhaps the AFA have overlooked the divisive nature of atheism plus or have wrongly assumed that all atheists are feminists and SJWs. You have weakened the atheist movement in Australia and you have achieved what I thought would be impossible ... you have fucked the global atheist convention.
Wrong again. The AFA Facebook page has increased it’s likes since it’s announcement that it will host Ford and Spicer. A lot of those likes will have been from a diverse bunch of people. Women and lgbtqi people have now been shown that the AFA is no longer the old boys club that atheist groups are famous for. Personally I know loads of people who are now going to the GAC that showed no interest before. This is a wise and inclusive move and Im pretty well convinced that this is one of the best decisions that AFA has ever made. The AFA may seem fucked to those who only want to hear from the straight white male but if if losing them is the price it has to pay to be inclusive of all people, it will not only cope, it will positively thrive.

Please provide evidence of hate and sexism please. I am assuming your haven't read Spicer's or Ford's books and you are critiquing them on out of context tweets or just repeating what others have said. Is this correct?
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From what i saw of her on twitter she instigates abuse and commonly jokes about men's murder or death. Her bullying of schoolchildren on social media crossed a line though. But hey if i am cherry picking her jokes about killing men and intimidation of children on social media unfairly perhaps you could show me the proper context ?
I've had a number of exchanges with her, and my experience has only led me to admire her.

Yes, she unapologetically parodies the shit women are so often on the receiving end of, and does so by adopting the stance of man-hating feminazi that so fucking many manbabies will accuse any woman who 'doesn't know her place' of being.

Frankly, it's fucking hilarious.

See, I'm a bloke. So you might think I'd get upset when she says things like "KILL ALL MEN!" or has a coffee mug labelled "Male Tears". But I'm not upset by it, because I've taken the time to fucking learn from the various women in my life about the shit they have to put up with just because they have a vagina.

Here's the thing that fucking baffles me about anti-feminist blokes: they seem to think it's perfectly fine and manly to tell a woman she should be raped and killed, but then they play the fucking wimpy victim card when a woman has the gall to do anything remotely the same back to them. "Oh, she's being mean. She joked about killing all men. I haz a bruisy-wuze."

Fuck that noise. It's fucking pathetic, because it's an attempt to hijack actual victimisation in the service of privilege. I'm a bloke. I've been catcalled twice in my life, both when I was sporting long luxurious golden locks. Most women I know have had to experience that shit or worse on a regular basis. For fucking years.

A girl entering puberty, from what I gather, immediately gets sexualised by the majority of society. It is a constant fucking endless background background to their existence. And it lasts up until whatever age society deems them 'past their prime' and hence largely worthless.

This is why feminists exist. Because that is a fucking shitty way for us to make over half of the population experience life.

Yeah, Clementine Ford is fucking provocative. But if you think her saying "Kill all men" is remotely analogous in terms of power dynamics to the actual threats she receives daily, then you don't qualify for a seat at the adults' table.
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Here's the thing that fucking baffles me about anti-feminist blokes: they seem to think it's perfectly fine and manly to tell a woman she should be raped and killed, but then they play the fucking wimpy victim card when a woman has the gall to do anything remotely the same back to them. "Oh, she's being mean. She joked about killing all men. I haz a bruisy-wuze."
I always find it amusing that these blokes are the ones that call feminists "triggered snowflakes", but they are the first ones to have a boo-hoo when someone disagrees with them or challenges their misogyny. The irony is strong in these ones...
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Here's the thing that fucking baffles me about anti-feminist blokes: they seem to think it's perfectly fine and manly to tell a woman she should be raped and killed, but then they play the fucking wimpy victim card when a woman has the gall to do anything remotely the same back to them. "Oh, she's being mean. She joked about killing all men. I haz a bruisy-wuze."
I always find it amusing that these blokes are the ones that call feminists "triggered snowflakes", but they are the first ones to have a boo-hoo when someone disagrees with them or challenges their misogyny. The irony is strong in these ones...
Indeed - when women are murdering women at a rate of 1.4 per week we can start taking these threats seriously.

It is fucking perverse - 73 women were murdered by men last year - if you are a women between a 18 and 44 years of age the number one threat to your health is men.

Domestic violence is the number one cause of homelessness for women and their children and women escaping domestic violence have to move away - and therefore are a far higher chance of retiring in poverty as it is difficult to hold down work when you don't have a home.

This is an outrage. But not as outrageous, apparently, as a women like Clementine Ford bringing that message home by saying something provocative like KILL ALL MEN. Yes, that is far more outrageous than the actual killing of women and the homelessness and poverty, pointing it out is the real problem.

FFS this shit makes me ill. What the fuck is wrong with these 'men'. Tough guys who can't handle someone pointing out, with words, that lots of men are destroying women lives - literally. I side with the people fighting for their lives.
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For some strange reason I imagine the reason for inviting a female feminist atheist to speak at an atheist conference would be to explore the intersection of atheism and feminism from a female perspective.

Seeing as religion is particularly inimical to female thriving and seeing as many explicitly religious goals impact female autonomy directly I'm struggling to see why this would be in any way problematic.
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if i am cherry picking her jokes about killing men and intimidation of children on social media unfairly perhaps you could show me the proper context ?
Not if, you are cherry picking her tweets and interpreting them in your own special anti equality way. Davo's link to Ford's ***actual views*** are much more valuable than tweets to someone who claims to be unpacking Ford's position.

As I said, your claim, you back it.
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