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Old 16th June 2017, 05:05 PM
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So much of this is what I have been trying to explain over the years but this article does it so much better than I have. Youtube seems to be the breeding ground for this particular brand of atheism where white privileged, racist, misogynist, cis males embolden each other and recruit others into their ranks. Even though a lot of sucky stuff starts on Youtube, it filters out and infects all other platforms. Most female atheists I know who have started atheist Youtube channels were driven out by these anti feminist men and boys who harrassed them till they gave up and left or decided it was unsafe and not worth the pain or the risk. I have always assumed the same happens to other non cis white male people too. I dont know any females who venture into the atheist Youtube space anymore and again I wouldn't mind betting that it is the same for all but the privileged, white cis male.

While I am confident there aren't too many atheists here that fucking suck, sometimes we enable these fuckers by not challenging them when we come across them. We need to.

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"Last year, YouTuber Steve Shives published "5 Toxic Things About YouTube Atheism", detailing instances of subtle sexism and racism, cloaked in "rationalist" intellectualism, that exists in the online atheist space – while other sceptic YouTubers, like Jaclyn Glenn, have warned that certain sections of the online sceptic community could be isolating some of its most vulnerable members.

It's unlikely that the online atheist community will collapse any time soon; it's by far the fastest growing religion-related movement on the internet. But it is likely that the growing concerns over racism and sexism in the community might force it to splinter into more identitarian factions, despite the internet atheist movement superficially rejecting those isms.

The internet atheist community has shifted so far away from its stated aim of offering safe havens to people wanting to determine their identities themselves. It's no longer about wanting to be better than religious groups which impose orthodoxy or restrict free thinking; all that has been eclipsed by guys who get off on being outraged; who scream "triggered" at anyone with a Muslim-sounding name or an "I'm with Her" hashtag in their Twitter bio.."
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Old 16th June 2017, 05:22 PM
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My inner atheist doesn't like goddism, but my inner humanist and my inner feminist are fucking incandescent over arseholery and misogyny.

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I shared this onto the AFA Facebook page.

I'm under no illusions. I fully expect 30% to 50% of comments there will be along the lines of 'I'm not racist, but', 'I'm not a feminist because' and so on.

And that's the AFA Facebook page which is one of the better one's.
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One of the few wise things Grandad said: "Everything before the but is bullshit".
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My only real exposure to the atheist communities is here plus the books and podcasts of the heathen pop stars and celebs. I can't say i really understand the problem. Could someone post an example link?

ps...i have zero social media and i'm trying to spend less and less time on the interwebs, except for here, so i'm a bit naive about this issue but its been raised a few times now, so i'm sort of curious.
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My only real exposure to the atheist communities is here plus the books and podcasts of the heathen pop stars and celebs. I can't say i really understand the problem. Could someone post an example link?

ps...i have zero social media and i'm trying to spend less and less time on the interwebs, except for here, so i'm a bit naive about this issue but its been raised a few times now, so i'm sort of curious.
Probably start with

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Thunderf00t

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/TheAmazingAtheist

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Sargon_of_Akkad
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The other thing is Atheist Facebook groups. Most of the well known ones are havens of misogynist racist trolls. Including Australian groups.
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I thought Thunderfoot was such a wanker he had to be a theist.
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