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Old 31st May 2017, 10:52 PM
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So a few weeks ago, I died for the 9th time. Yep, it's official, I have more lives than a cat.

This time though was probably the closest I've come to "actually" dying since my first out-of-hospital cardiac arrest 7 years ago.

This time, I didn't have my ICD (implanted defibrillator) to protect me. It was turned off. Luckily though I was in a hospital already

I was at a Transplant assessment session, to determine if I need to go on the list or not, and a part of it is an exercise test on a treadmill. In order to avoid an "innappropriate" shock, they switched off my ICD. "Don't worry" they say, "it'll be fine".

I've been on the treadmill test a few times now, but previously I have ended the test early. I get my "8 seconds of dying" feeling, and I stop, immediately. The problem is, this feeling doesn't appear on any ECG leads, so the Doctors think that this is all in my head, and I'm stopping because of fitness levels. Once you stop the test, you can't restart it.

So this time, after years of being told this feeling is in my head, I figured I'd try push through it. After about 5 minutes, I felt it. Even though I wanted to keep going, I can't even explain the dread I feel when it comes -- it's almost a subconscious response to stop.

"I just felt the feeling I feel, I want to stop" I told them.

They replied that no, everything was fine, and I should keep going, one nurse put her hand on my back to keep me on.

It only took about 3 seconds (the remaining 3 from the "8 seconds"), and like clockwork --

I saw the physio slam down on the Emergency Stop button and yell out "NEED SOME HELP IN HERE", and then I was dreaming.

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So this is the point of the thread. At this point I had gone into cardiac arrest, and I was unconscious. Unfortunately, I can't tell you what I was dreaming about, I forget / never remembered, though I explicitly remember it was a "nice" feeling.

But I never once thought it was anything but a dream. I very explicitly remember thinking at one point, "why am I dreaming, shouldn't I be doing an exercise test?".

The fact that it felt "nice" to me is evidence of the chemical dump my brain must have been going through.

There was nothing magical about it, I don't attribute the "nice" feeling with evidence of God or some other crap. It was a chemical reaction and most importantly -- I WAS STILL DREAMING.

I have no time for anyone who claims supernatural NDE stories. I think it's the utmost ARROGANCE, to think that what your brain goes through in that state IS REAL just because YOU thought it. It's just the most blatant proof of cultural indoctrination to immediately attribute such feelings to some sort of supernatural influence.



Anyway, I saw an ad for a TV show in the UK today where this topic came up, and had to rant about it.

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Old 31st May 2017, 11:02 PM
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and to finish the rest of my story...

I woke up a few minutes later to an interesting experience:

The Physio was doing CPR compressions on my chest, the paddles were out and someone was squeezing an oxygen bag over my mouth.

There were like 12 doctors/nurses/staff all standing around me.

I assume someone must have hit code blue because half of them didn't look like they belonged there XD

But it was a kinda fascinating experience. I appreciate their response, but that feeling of waking up to someone doing CPR on your chest is not one I'll forget soon
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Soooo...did you make it on to the list?
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Nope not yet I'll go back in 6 months and do it all over again.

Fingers crossed they don't kill me next time. I definitely won't be giving any f---s about stopping the exercise test early if I feel that feeling
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Fascinating story and I'm glad you pulled through.
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Family Member By Marriage did roughly the same thing at a social do.

Cunningly enough, my young in-law managed to be quite close to two cardio specialist docs and a paramedic.

In-Law will be assessed for the transplant list in coming weeks. I'll pass on this info about the treadmill!
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@GB - I'm also glad you pulled through!

As an aside, are you likely to be able to get to the next GAC (Feb 2018, in Melbourne)?
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Just received word our family member is on the transplant list - hope you are also suited to be listed, GB.
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It would be excellent to see you at the Feb 2018 GAC Generic Box but I can well imagine it's not a venture you may feel inclined to undertake, in all wisdom, sadly. Or could you?
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Thanks @tIMB -- good to see you back!

I'm in two minds about the transplant list, on one hand, it'll mean I have a new heart and can run and exercise on treadmills without worrying I'll drop dead. So that will be nice.

On the other, there is a "Guinness World Record" proudly on display at the transplant hospital that says,

"This hospital holds the Guinness World Record for the longest surviving heart transplant patient, at 28 years".

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Kinda wanna live past my 50s.
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