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Old 16th May 2017, 06:39 PM
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Default Child indoctrination - is it abusive enough to be a crime?

Parents often tell kids that kids would go to hell if the kids disobey them upon religious teachings.

I'd say, these interactions are abusive enough to be considered life threats, let alone 'suggesting someone to go to hell' and therefore aptly a premediated crime.

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Old 16th May 2017, 06:47 PM
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"Don't touch the stove, you'll burn yourself. "
"Don't run across the road, you'll get knocked over. "
"Don't do, say, or even think that, or else Satan will drag you to hell and shit lava into your mouth while you burn in a lake of fire for ever and ever. "

Children are credulous, but rather than treating them like developing consciousnesses the fervently religious seem to treat them like a cross between an unruly Labrador and an adult with learning difficulties. That in itself is abusive.
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Old 16th May 2017, 07:12 PM
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It's abusive, but getting parents charged is going to be difficult. Maybe one day... sorry, I'm not helping am I.
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Parents often tell kids that kids would go to hell if the kids disobey them upon religious teachings.

I'd say, these interactions are abusive enough to be considered life threats, let alone 'suggesting someone to go to hell' and therefore aptly a premediated crime.

What do you think?
I agree Azu. In fact I think mind abuse is every bit as bad [if not worse] as physical abuse. The brain is an essential tool for life. Fuck with that, and you have a ruined, or compromised life.

Some people take decades to get over the physical and mental abuse dolled out by religions.
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Religious indoctrination of children may be comparable to physical and sexual abuse in some cases but i dont think the two, broadly speaking, are comparable and i dont think it helps the cause of reason and non belief to equate the two - again, generally speaking.

Growing up in an otherwise loving household, with well meaning caring parents that happen to also tell you that god is real and you should read the bible is a long way removed from being beaten and fucked by the adults around you.

I dont like the indoctrination of kids into religious thinking but i just don't agree that it is always on the same level as physical and sexual abuse.
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I often wonder if indoctrinating ones child to be a Cronulla supportor should constitute a criminal offence. It should.
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I often wonder if indoctrinating ones child to be a Cronulla supportor should constitute a criminal offence. It should.
Ok, odd but still I've PM'ed you... are you overlooking that? Apologies if I shouldn't mention this in the interests of everyone's privacy.
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Ok, odd but still I've PM'ed you... are you overlooking that? Apologies if I shouldn't mention this in the interests of everyone's privacy.
Haven't read it yet Azu. I avoid PM's as much as I can - I like the forums. I will read it later tonight.
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I often wonder if indoctrinating ones child to be a Cronulla supportor should constitute a criminal offence. It should.
I've indoctrinated my kids into support of Carlton in the AFL and its caused them them nothing but exasperation, endless eye rolls and pats on the shoulder telling me it'll be ok. But parents who force their kids to support Collingwood...

Seriously though, i think physical abuse is worse because it also comes with long lasting psychological problems. Religious indoctrination needs to be based on a spectrum, i think. There are degrees.

Again, i'm not trying to excuse religious indoctrination of children, it's awful but i'm not sure its always on the same level.
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Poetically...
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This Be The Verse - By Philip Larkin

They fuck you up, your mum and dad.
They may not mean to, but they do.
They fill you with the faults they had
And add some extra, just for you.

But they were fucked up in their turn
By fools in old-style hats and coats,
Who half the time were soppy-stern
And half at one another’s throats.

Man hands on misery to man.
It deepens like a coastal shelf.
Get out as early as you can,
And don’t have any kids yourself.
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