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Old 2nd May 2017, 10:39 PM
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Atheism or Nihilism , which one goes further and is more radical?
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Old 2nd May 2017, 10:52 PM
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Atheism is nothing to speak of really, it's empty. For me it's not radical and it goes nowhere. I dont believe in god. Thats about the extent of it. I also dont believe in unicorns or astrology...what more is to be said?

I'm still not really sure what you mean by nihilism. Perhaps you could explain what exactly nihilism means to you?
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Old 2nd May 2017, 10:56 PM
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Seeing as atheism is simply not finding the claims of theists credible and nihilism is the rejection of all moral principle and meaning to life I can't see how you connect the two or what the two have in common.

Perhaps you could explain how and why you manage to put the two together?

Also "goes further"? Towards what? Away from what?

Is that like how margarine "goes further" than butter? At least in the ads. :shrug:
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Old 3rd May 2017, 09:58 AM
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People think atheists are nihilists because they think you can't be good without god. Traditionally, most theists believe atheists to be at best, amoral, or at worst, positively evil.

This boils down to a misunderstanding many people have about the origins of morality. Most of them cannot [or will not] understand or accept that morality is a natural and emergent product of biological and cultural evolution in cognitive social animals, including humans.

Even social organisms of the lowest grade of organisation [eg bacteria], tend to evolve mechanisms to avoid cheating, because social organisms produce social goods, and cheating is a threat to that.
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I have had strong words in the past for people that equate atheism with nihilism or anomie.

As DB has said, atheism does not equal nihilism.

Just because I don't believe in the existence of god(s) does not mean I am of the view that life is meaningless or worthless. It is, in my opinion, disrespectful, insulting and in some cases fucking dangerous to suggest otherwise, because it simply a form of projection. The believer thinks that his or her life would be meaningless without belief in god (and, in my experience, the afterlife). That believer then notices someone that does not believe in god or the afterlife and thinks that such a person has a meaningless life.

It is disrespectful because the projection does not take into account what the atheist finds meaningful in life.

It is insulting because it assumes that one human cannot perceive meaning without sharing the same unsubstantiated beliefs of another.

It is fucking dangerous because it allows the projecting believer to cheapen the life of the non-believer to such an extent that ending that life is not seen as morally wrong.

With all due respect, attempts to equate atheism and nihilism and/or anomie need to stop.
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I've noticed some atheists want to be BAD-ASS, so when they reject religion, they arrive at a more reasonable position, and instead of stopping there they just keep right on travelling on what they perceive to be a righteous path away from religion. But it's really a path to the bottom of the garden where there could be fairies, or people who assert with absolute certainty that god does not exist. Looks like the nihilists might be down a path of their own too. What darwinsbulldog said about the biological causes of morality is a big deal for me. No doubt some individuals have less of it than others, but that's not an "ism" really.
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I will accept the unholy branding of "atheist" that this Christian nation imposes on me, however, I personally think of myself more as a skeptic than anything else. Skepticism is what drives my atheism...as well as my rejection of a whole host of other bullshit claims but for some reason, it is the claim of theists the requires the label.

I used to lay low pretty much unless someone tried to push their beliefs on me, but now I feel driven to be up front with my atheism, so that people know decent folks can be atheists.
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Since relinquishing the fellowship of believers and the teachings of Christianity, life is incalculably more meaningful for me, because I am now free to access informational treasures and take considered opinions seriously, without prejudice. I often find I have to click the 'like' button which I certainly wouldn't do as a Christian. I would have been threatened and hostile, the stronger and the more well put the point being made. I wouldn't have come here. I have seen many Christians fight their corner on the forums, for hundreds of posts. They leave. They seem incurably indoctrinated, unable to learn, unteachable. Who knows, maybe they'll realise the obvious, over time.

Lucky for me I had already subjected the Christian assumptions about the soul, sin, salvation, all of that, before I found the AFA forums.

Nihilism is just as benighted as is religious conformance. Categorising atheism with nihilism is mistaken.
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Atheism is nothing to speak of really, it's empty. For me it's not radical and it goes nowhere. I dont believe in god. Thats about the extent of it. I also dont believe in unicorns or astrology...what more is to be said?

I'm still not really sure what you mean by nihilism. Perhaps you could explain what exactly nihilism means to you?
I see i am causing some misunderstanding among many of this threat.
First of all, muy threat does not say ATHEISM IS NIHILISM but just AND
That does not mean that they are equal or related. Starting as an Atheist one can go further by critical thing and not only deny god put finally everything.

But there comes the other question: What du i mean with nihilism. For me it is a very deep experience and not just a philosophical abstraction. It is mystic nihilism . To make it clearer i quote her from Dionisius, a syrian monk from the third century . His THEOLOGIA MYSTICA is the fundament for nearly all western mysticism. In this text everything is negated .Through unknowing we come to a higher understanding.


DIONISIUS
For the higher we soar in contemplation the more limited become our expressions of that which is purely intelligible;
when plunging into the Darkness that is above the intellect,
we pass not merely into brevity of speech,
but even into absolute silence of thoughts and of words.
we mount upwards from below to that which is the highest, and, according to the degree of transcendence, so our speech is restrained until, the entire ascent being accomplished, we become wholly voiceless,
inasmuch as we are absorbed in it that is totally ineffable.
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Starting as an atheist, one can go anywhere.

As the term is merely an indicator of "zero" in the "number of gods believed in" column, one can be a fascist, a socialist, a humanist, a misogynist, a feminist, a philanthropist, or a decorative florist.

However, the atheism does not cause, or largely define, these other things, any more than choosing Coke, Pepsi or water will define one's preference of car tyre brand.

Azikur, you may have fallen for the Post Hoc, Ergo Propter Hoc fallacy.
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