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Old 1st January 2017, 11:26 AM
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I'm so bored to be networking with atheists via FB groups, forums and websites that seem to be overtly focused on atheism. I only like to network and socialise with atheists but not talk about atheism - I just want to make friends who are atheists and chill out with them.
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Old 1st January 2017, 11:32 AM
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Can I ask why you like network atheists? I personally enjoy networking online with a variety of people with a broad range of belief systems.

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Old 1st January 2017, 11:39 AM
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Can I ask why you like network atheists? I personally enjoy networking online with a variety of people with a broad range of belief systems.

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Good question.

I only like to network with friends who have so much sense of freedom, love for adventure (not limited to outdoors but can include gaming, humour and frivolous stuff) and intellectual autonomy from religious shackles. People tinged with religiosity bore me to death as often they would look down with superstitious fear when I try to get them started on something purely adventurous. I am what I am - my quality friendship rests in people who are playful, candid and fun to get along with. They are also ones who do not fear trying to think actively, challenge, question and argue about something. These are some qualities that make us fully human.

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I network online so that I can organise to meet them in person sooner or later. Please bear with me that the biggest killers of fun to me/most dangerous boredom factors amongst friends are
- overt formality, bombastic civility, pomposity and mannerisms
- grandiloquence and verbosity
- overt grandeur of civilisation and obsession with wealth and precious materialism
- being obsessed with status quo and boasting about their prestige, i.e. as architects
- just being with architects and not people from diverse walks of life
- religiosity
- governance
- lack of autonomy
- lack of tribalism

What appeals to me these days alongside atheists is someone who's an anarchist and/or plays part in 'Anonymous', however creepy or not. Anonymous is a very interesting trend to me and I'm very fascinated. Last but not the least, it is ADVENTURE!

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Old 1st January 2017, 11:43 AM
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Yes it does answer, in detail. I approach my interactions differently. I hope to learn from a variety of people whose views I may not necessarily identify with but have value in the sense that they allow me to appreciate the individual. I may not agree with their views and I may find their views less inclusive than my own but it allows me to appreciate their uniqueness even when they identify as a member of a group. Its like sub categories. Each view stems from a source or belief but the individual has their own interpretation.

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Old 1st January 2017, 11:46 AM
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I'm so bored to be networking with atheists via FB groups, forums and websites that seem to be overtly focused on atheism. I only like to network and socialise with atheists but not talk about atheism - I just want to make friends who are atheists and chill out with them.
So don't pay attention when they do it. Easy.
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Old 2nd January 2017, 04:33 AM
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I'm so bored to be networking with atheists via FB groups, forums and websites that seem to be overtly focused on atheism. I only like to network and socialise with atheists but not talk about atheism - I just want to make friends who are atheists and chill out with them.
This comes up a fair bit. I made a graphic about it for Twatter:

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To be honest, I think most atheists do need awareness and insight. Few seem to think about the implications of what atheism means. One of the most toxic things about theism is the assumption humans "can't be good without god". This can lead to many societal ills, such as tax breaks for no-charity work by churches, prayers in parliament, Chaplains in schools, priests in armies and a hundred other stupidities that manage to fly under the radar of most people, including many atheists. They either don't give a fuck, or can't understand the harm.

The secular state benefits all, but for atheists it is usually essential. Theists might get lucky and have their own religion dominate, and hence can enjoy the illusion, if not the reality, of relative safety. The atheist may be lucky in a soft theocracy, where they can practice their lack of beliefs without serious interference. But I would not bet on it.

Secular states can be Trumped. From within and without.
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To be totally honest, that was one of the very first things that turned me off of identifying as an atheist. There are no implications, there are no ramifications, the make-believe story isn't true and thus is impotent just as there not being a Santa has implications. What has ramifications and implications is the scientific record of our history on the planet, of where we came from, of the workings of the universe. We don't need to buy into the useless theistic paradigm whatsoever.
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........ where they can practice their lack of beliefs.........
Hmmmmm. Seems to me the way to do that is by not actually doing stuff.
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To be totally honest, that was one of the very first things that turned me off of identifying as an atheist. There are no implications, there are no ramifications, the make-believe story isn't true and thus is impotent just as there not being a Santa has implications. What has ramifications and implications is the scientific record of our history on the planet, of where we came from, of the workings of the universe. We don't need to buy into the useless theistic paradigm whatsoever.
Well, I can't parse non-theistic religions at all. But there seems to be only two options: a natural or supernatural cause to the universe. I simply don't believe atheists who claim they disbelieve without science. For the world is either magic or it is not. Science, while being officially agnostic about god and magic, demonstrates to us quite clearly that natural causes can be found for phenomena, whether that be for explaining the actions of an electron or explaining why tribes believe in crazy shit because it has biological fitness value.

It is not therefore about buying into some crazy shit religious meme. Being atheist should make you see the world differently from the theist. An atheist, if he she has thought about it for more than a millisecond, should assume all cause to be natural. A theist [at best], is a dualist, believing in both natural and supernatural cause.

In short the atheist, by his or her lack of belief, is already a scientist of sorts. Because basically everyone is either scientist or mystic. Some magicians do practice science, because science does not care about belief or lack of belief, it only requires proper procedure and methodology.

But atheists do not have to "leave their beliefs outside the lab", because they do not subscribe to those beliefs in the first place. [And I dismiss devil-worshipers as being atheists, because they still believe in super-naturalism, popularly defined as as of the evil type, if somewhat ironically].

OK, atheist can believe in crazy shit, but I still submit that they have not joined the dots. The intellectual tools that can be used to dismiss deities can be used for any manner of bullshit. So an atheist that disbelieves in god or the devil is still a theist if they believe in fairies or re-incarnation or any other fatuously stupid shit whatsoever.

[Did I just make a "No True Scotsman fallacy" ]

If I did try to get the sense out of it, rather than nit-pick.

Short version. I guess there are many atheists who don't reason things out, they just go for their gut. To me, that doesn't really count. Thinking with your gut can often make you right, but you won't know exactly why you are right, which is perhaps as bad as guessing.
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