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Old 30th November 2016, 11:59 AM
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Default Re: Is Secular Humanism superior to Christianity? - Matt Dilahunty vs Matt Slick

Here is part 2:


This is, for me, the payoff. Matt D now argues the original topic and explains how it should have been explored and I find it pretty good.
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Matt Dilahunty is sans pareil.

Matt Slick needs to put in 20 years on the rock pile.

Edit: I watched it.
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Good stuff, and it's motivated me to my next blog post, not least because a few people on Twitter have recently asked me how they can deal with presuppositionalist arguments.

Keep any eye out for The Executioner's Argument, coming soon.
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.... a few people on Twitter have recently asked me how they can deal with presuppositionalist arguments.

In essence, it's just a rejection of circular reasoning.
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I think I can do better than that. Having had a bit of experience with presupps and how frustrating they can be, I've been thinking about this for quite a while.
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In essence, it's just a rejection of circular reasoning.
Isn't more specifically begging the question?
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Circular reasoning is actually more specific. All circular reasoning is question-begging, but not all question-begging is circular reasoning.
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Circular reasoning is actually more specific. All circular reasoning is question-begging, but not all question-begging is circular reasoning.
Thought it was the other way around. Thanks for correcting me.
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Isn't more specifically begging the question?
I was about to hit reply when I saw that Hack had already posted what I was writing nearly word for word!
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And part 3 which gets down to some good nitty gritty....



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