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Interesting that they felt the need for a discussion paper and submissions, especially before independent bodies pass separate judgement.
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I thought so. I have the discussion paper from April 2010. I made a submission then. Nothing substantive has happened. Its 154k as a .doc, so too big to upload here. I'll just put the relevant text for comparison.
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That last paragraph is about the Cowan University survey conducted by a partisan christian. Its the one that stated 97% of school principles thought chaplains were very effective in schools. It was not a random sample so statistical extrapolation is unsafe. Instead they should say that of the 42% of principals that responded 97% were on side. That is an actual total of 40.7%. The new discussion paper seems to ignore the many submissions given to the original paper.
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Also regards the survey, note that only those schools with chaplains were surveyed. Of the schools not surveyed any number of them could be without a chaplain because they believe chaplains to be inappropriate. Of the total schools in Australia it is thus only a small percentage that consider chaplains to be of benefit. Finally, the question itself provides little evidence for the actual efficacy of chaplains, comparison of chaplains with a secular alternative to provide the same service, or of the harms to students, the school system and its duty of care, or to the parents and their relationship with child and school. The study is a meaningless piece of propoganda on behalf of the chaplain providers.
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One of the things that strikes me is this argument how cool and flexible it is for chaplains not to be tied up with all the restrictions placed on qualified councillors.
Excuse me ?! ![]() The restrictions placed on qualified councillors are there for very good reason, and despite their qualification and training. We are to relax such controls for religious zealots with barely two sticks to rub together in the way of qualification? Fuck that for a joke!
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The word 'unprofessional' sums up my experience of chaplains throughout high school. Breaking education department guidelines was a daily occurrence.
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I did not even know there were such things as "secular chaplains" at all. And even if there was, this would create a large loophole for religious fuckjobs to go through. And without all the restrictions, we may as well hire Sheikh Al Hilaly instead. |
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BlueDevil: "Secular chaplain" and "secular pastoral worker" sounds suspiciously contradictory in my opinion. Probably more using the "chaplain" and "pastoral worker" as a job title, but from what I understand, most job titles come with obligations. What's next? A secular pope?
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What is a School Counsellor if not a secular chaplain?
Sorry, I guess a counsellor has qualifications!
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