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Old 30th July 2016, 11:02 AM
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As well as any other denomination, frankly.

What's your definition of "less christian"?
Less fundamental, more liberal. How many of these young folk have any clue about the horrors in the bible? If they knew, they may not be so eager to join any christian group, no matter how fun and welcoming.
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Old 30th July 2016, 11:51 AM
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As well as any other denomination, frankly.

What's your definition of "less christian"?
Less fundamental, more liberal. How many of these young folk have any clue about the horrors in the bible? If they knew, they may not be so eager to join any christian group, no matter how fun and welcoming.
Whilst I take your point, I'm going to have to take issue somewhat with aspects of how you present it.

Firstly, "Less Christian" is a nonsense phrase, for several reasons.

These people are pretty fervently practising their religion, and that fervency can really be the only measure of how "Christian" they are. A religion is defined by its followers, not by the book they claim to follow.

Otherwise no-one could call themselves Christian, because the fucking book is self-contradictory and impossible to follow to the letter. The closest we see to people stiving to follow it to the letter are the Westborough Baptists, and even they don't do a very good job of it because they don't fucking kill people whilst also not killing people and hating their families whilst also loving everyone and so on and so forth.

To these people, Christianity is a bunch of ways to engage in mass public masturbation on a weekly basis, and they do so with pride and reckless abandon. They don't know or care that their alleged saviour allegedly taught that prayer should be private. But that doesn't mean shit, because the entire history of Christianity from the get-go has been one of people picking and choosing what to include or ignore.

Paul's Epistles - the ones we can reasonably reliably judge to have actually been written by the hairy-eyeballed fucker, and which make up the bulk of the NT - are almost entirely about telling other Early Christians that they have to adopt Paul's (a man who never met Yeshua, even assuming the original ranting lunatic existed) interpretation of events he never witnessed. The four Gospels are mutually incompatible accounts of events written by four people who likely didn't fucking witness them either, but combined hearsay and imagination to produce... incoherence.

The collation of the books into the Bible was an exercise in cherry-picking, or rather, several such exercises, given that the Catholics include different books than Protestants do. And the Catholics don't even put much fucking stock in the Bible anyway, as far as I can tell, being more devoted to the doctrine of their traditions than to the preaching of a bloke who condemned wealth and the harming of children.

Nah, Planetshakers is very Christian, because Christianity is not defined by how closely they align with the Bible, and never really has been. They are very Christian, because they are devoted to their interpretation of a particular faith that calls itself Christianity.

The fact that Jesus wouldn't have fucking recognised it as remotely associated with the apocalyptic anti-Roman Judaism he supposedly espoused really has nothing to do with it.
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Wonder what they mean by "objects of the ministry"...?
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That would be a bit of an exaggeration wouldn't it? I sure hope it is.
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Old 28th August 2016, 12:00 AM
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That would be a bit of an exaggeration wouldn't it? I sure hope it is.
Well, it depends who does the counting. With 2billion plus Christians, I guess it's possible. But how is it counted? If you are 10, and your dad is a Christian, are you one too?

In 2011, a Pew Forum study of global Christianity found that there were an estimated 279 million classical Pentecostals, making 4 percent of the total world population and 12.8 percent of the world's Christian population Pentecostal.
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What an outrageously scandalous sentence that is.

Tax exemption exists for money spent on charitable works, not on 'objects' of the ministry - in other words, converting people and expanding the flock and yeah, the income. What a fucking crock... Its like landing a tax exemption for advertising costs. Why arent telstra applying for that?

When will this tax free loophole become a political issue?
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It sounds very much like Hillsong. From Wiki:

It was reported in 2008 that Michael Guglielmucci, former bass player in the Planetshakers band, had fraudulently claimed he was dying of cancer.[5][6] During this time Guglielmucci received money from supporters who believed his illness was real.[7] Guglielmucci also released the single "Healer", a song of encouragement for believers who were suffering from cancer.[8] Guglielmucci explained his actions as being a result of a long-term pornography addiction
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My but that's a shockingly awful web page.

Well done DJ.
Which webpage is that?
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Old 9th September 2016, 07:28 AM
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Well done DJ.
Which webpage is that?
They appear to have fixed it. They may have been alerted by the steady stream of the newly blind and bewildered through various hospital emergency rooms.
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