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Old 14th April 2016, 07:38 PM
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Logic please: “Get lost, religious bigots. You want the names of the schools so you can target them some more? There's this thing called confidentiality and child protection...”

Since when is name-calling a substitute for reasoned debate?
It isn't. But then, it almost certainly wasn't fucking meant to be.

Not trying to speak for Logic Please, but there is a marked difference between commenting on an article in the context of a thread on a discussion forum and engaging in reasoned debate with the perpetrators of a social ill.

In all likelihood, Logic Please had no reason to think that they were, in posting the above, engaging in any form of debate. They were simply commenting on some bullshit they sniffed. You've introduced a straw man. If Logic Please had intended to engage in reasoned debate with the perpetrators of this social ill, they wouldn't have fucking posted it on this forum, would they? No, they'd have gone somewhere more suitable, where they could reasonably expect that the ACL would engage.

The ACL are stupid, but they tend to avoid us these days.

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The Safe Schools Coalition web-site displays the names of all other Australian participating schools. If this is considered appropriate or at all necessary to begin with, why should those of the thirty odd Queensland schools not also be shown?
There's a bit to unpack here. Firstly, I don't know that the SSC website does display that information, and secondly there's no reason to think that if it is the case that anyone thought it was necessary.

As to appropriate? Well, that's a judgement call assessed according to local situation and environment. I'm no expert, I'm just a mouthy cunt on the Internet, but I can process the nuances involved in a situation where the Qld schools are the primary battleground and the other states aren't.

Further to that, the claims of the ACL regarding the publication of the names of the schools are bullshit, being that they rest upon the notion that it would enable concerned parents to know. Fucking ludicrous. If a parent of a student wants to know that shit, they can ask the fucking school. The ACL don't have access to that information because they aren't
parents of any of the children involved. It is, in short, none of their fucking business.

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Also, kindly explain in what way the Australian Christian Lobby has targeted the identified schools. Is it possible that Queensland politics plays a role as well?
Of course Queensland fucking politics plays a role. Politics is the entire point to the ACL. Fucking around in politics in order to advance their religious agenda is their purpose. And Qld is their main base of operations and support. It's where they feel strongest, so it's where they inevitably choose to launch their most robust sallies.

I mean, that's politics 101. That's the least nuanced takeaway from The Art of War.

The ACL has targeted the schools in question by demanding that they be identified. So now you know both why, and how.

The rest of this dross is even more boring and stupid, so I can't be arsed.
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Old 14th April 2016, 07:43 PM
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Old 14th April 2016, 07:58 PM
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Nothing but speculative concoction and self-serving innuendo - the same sort of rhetorical garbage that Logic please indulges in.

The format of my previous post got totally wrecked for no reason obvious to me. First time that's happened to me in any forum.

You and your rabid, foaming-at-the-mouth, fellow ex-Dawkins buddies are more than welcome to your newfound, miserably small, inconsequential sandbox.
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Old 14th April 2016, 08:01 PM
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Well that's us told.

Door's to your left.
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Nothing but speculative concoction and self-serving innuendo - the same sort of rhetorical garbage that Logic please indulges in.

The format of my previous post got totally wrecked for no reason obvious to me. First time that's happened to me in any forum.

You and your rabid, foaming-at-the-mouth, fellow ex-Dawkins buddies are more than welcome to your newfound, miserably small, inconsequential sandbox.
Mod note.

Any chance you could explain who you mean by 'you' in your post?

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Where my use of ‘we’ and ‘our’ is concerned, feel free to interpret as you see fit.
And no, not even close to a good enough explanation. Stop trolling.

Now who are you talking about in both circumstances?
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Nothing but speculative concoction and self-serving innuendo - the same sort of rhetorical garbage that Logic please indulges in.
The fucking who are you talking to?

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The format of my previous post got totally wrecked for no reason obvious to me. First time that's happened to me in any forum.
Yep, because this particular discussion forum software specifically targeted you to render your posts horsepuckey. You out of thousands upon thousands.

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Oh, I know who you are now. You've been following that long, huh? Fuck, you did a really shit job. Christ, you had to follow hack or Spearthrower here. Only the most courageous blowhards track those two to find my lair.

A lair that is instantly searchable.

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Old 14th April 2016, 08:49 PM
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I regret I’m unable to offer an intelligent reply to your last entry, robertkd. Its non sequitur nature bewildered.
More is the pity you make broad statements regarding acl then associate those statements with "we" and "our" making the acl viewpoint your viewpoint that is confusing.

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It also smacks of some blatant exercise in ad hominem at any cost, one not so different in fact from the kind I’ve experienced in Christian forums.
Yes, but! you came out with acl references rather then your own argument or POV.

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I indeed have reservations in respect of the ACL and, as a confirmed atheist and to varying degree, with most religious organizations. I’m not sufficiently acquainted to judge whether the ACL acts “from somewhere between reckless ignorance to sheer malice”. But, don’t tell us – show us!?


Subjective phrases like ’religious bigots’ are hardly conducive to constructive dialogue, and simply a part of the semantic games that people play, the particular choice of words mere reflection of which side of the fence one happens sit. As far as I can tell, the ACL strives to justify its views, however bizarrely or inadequately.
Yet you also claim.

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The ACL doesn’t seem to make any bones about either what it stands for or how it operates, that is, a politically active, socially conservative, right-wing Christian lobbying body. In a free and democratic society, mere disagreement with its views hardly seems justification for name-calling, not to mention that there are also no doubt scores of non-religionists who agree with at least some or all of its policies. It also goes without saying that special-interest groups like the ACL and similar will readily resort to all sorts of machinations and tricks in order to get their views across.
So you do claim that the acl are nefarious.

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My son happens to attend a participating school. When I read the words of Logic please (“Get lost, religious bigots. You want the names of the schools so you can target them some more? There's this thing called confidentiality and child protection...”), I thought I’d better check it out. It’s as simple as that.
Ah so you already know this information, what more do you want, that's right the list of the other schools, why? you're a concerned parent and a confirmed atheist??

What is the reasoning for the list of other schools??
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Old 14th April 2016, 08:54 PM
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Nothing but speculative concoction and self-serving innuendo - the same sort of rhetorical garbage that Logic please indulges in.

The format of my previous post got totally wrecked for no reason obvious to me. First time that's happened to me in any forum.

You and your rabid, foaming-at-the-mouth, fellow ex-Dawkins buddies are more than welcome to your newfound, miserably small, inconsequential sandbox.
My bold. This isn't "any forum". It's the best forum!
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