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Danny Naliah is such a dumb asshole. What amazes me is how many other dumb assholes he can find to group with.
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Old 8th April 2015, 01:33 AM
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There were a couple of sad/dumb trends.
- They claimed the 'socialists' are the bigots and RA are trying to help the oppressed women and gays in Muslim communities unlike the left who defend their oppression. Lol. Yet why do they protest just the Muslims, why not the catholic church demanding female priests and gay marriage in church?
- They claim the skin heads were paid to be there from the socialist alliance and not part of their protest. LOL

The spin the RA put on it all is quiet interesting, stupid but interesting in how desperate they are too deny any wrongdoing on their 'side'.
Indeed, some of that was repeated on Melb radio yesterday by Nalliah himself.

http://www.3aw.com.au/news/danny-nal...07-1mg1zu.html
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The leader of the Rise Up Australia party has accused left wing groups of "planting" neo-Nazi protesters at Saturday's controversial Reclaim Australia rally at Federation Square.

Danny Nalliah, one of the key speakers at the rally, told Tom Elliott he would not have been a part of the event had he known otherwise.

Photos of a man with a swastika tattooed to his head went viral following the event, leading many to brand the protest racist and fascist.

"The guy who came in was an implant, possibly by the Socialist Alliance," Mr Nalliah said on 3AW Drive.

"Because the guys who organised the rally told every single person for three months that this was going to be a peaceful rally.

"I wouldn't have been a part of it (if it wasn't).

"The guy who came in was followed by cameras."
Well duh. It must be a conspiracy. Couldn't have been anything at all to do with news crews noticing him of their own accord (kinda hard to miss, TBH) and following their noses to a possible story. Naaah, far too simplistic, that version.

And of course this one must be a plant as well. A pretty good effort by whoever the planters were... they got him into a presenter's and organiser's slot - https://newmatilda.com/2015/04/04/ab...ideo-rant-time
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A ‘national organiser’ and key promoter of this weekend’s anti-Muslim Reclaim Australia rallies has been forced to issue an apology after a video surfaced of him saying good Aboriginal people were “few and far between” and that “so many of them are just dickheads”.

The video was posted by Shermon Burgess, who runs the popular anti-Islam facebook page the Great Aussie Patriot.

In it, Burgess counsels viewers on how to deal with “left-wing idiots in the workplace”, but goes off on a tangent, complaining about critics who “bring up the Aboriginal card”.

“Just know, I’ve met some nice Aboriginal people, I really have, but they’re few and far between, really, so many of them are just dickheads man. You see ‘em on metho, passed out, bludging cigarettes, and still blaming the modern generation for what happened 200 years ago, which wasn’t even this modern generation that did anything to them,” Burgess said.

Behind him an Australian flag hangs from the wall.

Burgess is understood to be a former member of far-right group the Australian Defence League.
I gotta say... if you feel the need to say in advance "just leave the neo-nazi and white supremacist placards at home for the day eh, they don't look good on the telly...", then chances are, you're in among those types up to your ears... and you know it.
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An attempted bigot convention has gone awry over the weekend as attempts to ‘Reclaim Australia’ have led to hate groups accidentally reclaiming the fascist rhetoric of the rise of the Third Reich.

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The group met with the express purpose of reclaiming an Australia that they believe had once existed because they heard about it in a Slim Dusty song. Unfortunately for organisers, the violent intimidation and overt racism of the event meant that all that was reclaimed was the spirit of fear and hostility of the bleakest periods of human history.

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I was curious about the "14/88" tattoo on the the Nazi in the photo. It seems to be a code referring to a speech or a manifesto by American neo-Nazi David Lane.

Then I read the background of Danny Nalliah, who actually claims to have raised a person from the dead through prayer.

It's interesting how both these ideas are imported from the American right. You sometimes see similar copycat stupidity from the gun lobby. American glamour feeds their passion for such delusions.

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With nazis there might be a reference to the 88mm weapons. Or something else.


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14/88: Common white supremacist code. 14 stands for the "14 words" slogan coined by David Lane, who is serving a 190-year sentence for his part in the assassination of a Jewish talk show host: "We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children." 88 means "Heil Hitler," as H is the eighth letter of the alphabet.
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Yes but I am aware of the awe many neo-nazis have for the wehrmacht, the german war machine. There is a nostalgic glorification of the nazi weaponry. I suspect it came into it somewhere for the man who coined the phrase initially.

by way of example, the 88mm gun was the anti-aircraft gun but also the tank gun for panther and tiger tanks and other self-propelled guns.



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Yes but I am aware of the awe many neo-nazis have for the wehrmacht, the german war machine. There is a nostalgic glorification of the nazi weaponry. I suspect it came into it somewhere for the man who coined the phrase initially.

by way of example, the 88mm gun was the anti-aircraft gun but also the tank gun for panther and tiger tanks and other self-propelled guns.
Possibly, mate. Could be a mix of both.

Reading that SPLC glossary was a painful exercise, TBH.
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One of the wonderful things about free speech is that it allows genuinely loopy ideas to be paraded in front of the masses, where all of their flaws can be unflatteringly displayed. The populace, alert to such defects, can give the proffered ideas a gentle squeeze and a sniff, like a thrifty shopper in the produce aisle, leaving behind what is unattractive and unsound, to moulder and decay on the shelf.

The ‘Reclaim Australia’ rallies held on 4 April 2015 in various centres throughout the nation were just such an unappetising display.

The manifold flaws in the platform pushed by these modern-day Blackshirts are now exposed for all to see. This spasm of knee-jerk racism having been splashed over media, the protagonists can return to their reality-proof bunkers to congratulate themselves on having made Australia a safer place for their "way of life".
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...Precisely from what, or whom, Australia needs to be reclaimed is not spelled out with any clarity.
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Looking at some of the banners of those few brave crusaders who took to the streets on April 4, an overriding concern appears to be the introduction of Sharia Law in Australia.
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The news on this front is, of course, spectacularly good, from the point of view of those paralysed with the fear of such a legal system. There is no sharia law in Australia – anywhere, at any level of government – and never has been.
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To believe such a dramatic event is somehow likely a person would need to be entirely ignorant of the Australian constitution and the legal and political system it underpins. It would be puzzling if a group describing itself as composed of "patriots" were to be so unaware of the nature of the legal system they appear to be (unnecessarily) seeking to defend.
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Secondly, the Reclaim Australia folk appear keen to be seen as "not racist", with various representatives declaiming the descriptor being applied to the group.

The rallies on 4 April have given lie to these fatuous claims. It would be very difficult for any reasonable observer to conclude other than that they were witnessing a group of racists displaying their racism, upon viewing the proceedings.
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Thirdly, the movement (if it can be called that) appears to be deeply concerned about a loss of Australian sovereignty...
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To the extent that ‘our laws’ and ‘our ways’ are represented by the Australian legal system and what can, perhaps, broadly be described as the (white) Australian way of life, it is very difficult to see that either of those things are under any credible threat from the direction of Islam in general and sharia law in particular.

While the dim and deluded advertised their shortcomings before an incredulous public last weekend, a real threat to Australian sovereignty, the Australian legal system and way of life is looming.

Reclaim Australia appears unaware of and unconcerned by the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP), which essentially will allow multinational corporations to sue the Australian government for damages where Australian laws affect corporate profits.

Of course, real threats to the integrity of the Australian political and legal system may be a little beyond the grasp of your average white supremacist.

Prime Minister Abbott appears sanguine at the prospect of a loss of sovereignty to multinational corporations, who will be able to hold his, and future, governments, to ransom and scuttle any form of legislation designed to better the position of the Aussie battlers the "Reclaimers" claim to represent.
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Worse, the Reclaim Australia phenomenon appears to be nothing more than a response to the frantic dog-whistling of Abbott and his cronies, ever since they discovered it was their only path back to something resembling popularity with the punters. Doubtless, there is room for the bigoted and hate-filled "Reclaimers" in Mr Abbott’s narrow-minded vision of Team Australia.
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Yes but I am aware of the awe many neo-nazis have for the wehrmacht, the german war machine. There is a nostalgic glorification of the nazi weaponry. I suspect it came into it somewhere for the man who coined the phrase initially.

by way of example, the 88mm gun was the anti-aircraft gun but also the tank gun for panther and tiger tanks and other self-propelled guns.

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I am decidedly no neo-Nazi, but the plain fact of the matter is that the Wehr macht was the "varsity" in the arts of war during WW2. The best [although unintentional] ally that the Allied side had for defeating Germany in battle was Hitler himself.

One can say that, and not ignore the war crimes, the misery and mass deaths involved. Given the disparity in resources, Germany should have been utterly defeated by mid-1944 at the very latest.
On the eastern front the main problem was that Stalin had virtually destroyed most of his officer corps in the purges before the war. This had vast implications for the conduct of operations. Armoured offenses which should have worked simply didn't until very late in the war because most officers in the Soviet army were too inexperienced and hurriedly trained: from generals to lieutenants they simply could not match the Germans in skill.
In the West the allies had to learn to fight again. Military doctrine as too rigid, military organizations were too rigid. It took a long time for them to break down regimental rivalries and tribalism, and get combat groups working together properly in combined operations. By contrast, the Germans were using the Kampfgrouppen [1]from day one. The only general that really had a clue was Patton, who was as careful, and flexible as the Germans. That is why they feared him the most.

[1] Ad-hoc mixed battlegroups, consisting of armour, mobile infantry, combat engineers, artillery and air assets put under their best commanders for a specific mission. After each mission, the components returned to their parent units. Most allied commanders could not do this with the speed, flexibility and competence of their German opponents. Battlegroups could be of any size, from a company to a corps of several divisions or parts of divisions. The group was tailored to the task as much as the available assets allowed.
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