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Old 5th April 2015, 09:57 PM
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This is what Howard and now Abbott have turned this country into. It's hateful
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Yes, the .01% (probably an overstatement) of the 2.2% of the Australian population who are muslim, who want sharia law are a real chance of making it happen.

Gay marriage laws, which is supported by the majority of the population, got struck down - but sharia law is a live possibility... FFS, I wish it was laughable.
Aye, it is laughable.

If I had a dollar for every time a Rehash Bigotry apologist at the AFA FB page used the "I'm not racist because islam is a religion, not a race..." I'd be retiring tomorrow.

Here's one reply to this - https://newmatilda.com/2015/04/04/ab...ideo-rant-time
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Dr Ghena Krayem, a University of Sydney academic whose research interests include multiculturalism and legal pluralism, told New Matilda this reasoning was misleading.

“It doesn’t matter what you call it, the thing that’s bad about racism is not its name, it’s the underlying process behind it. You are ostracising a group for no reason other than the basis of their race, an aspect of identity that is so important to them,” Krayem said.

“You’re just lumping all these people in the one group and effectively discriminating against them.”

Krayem said the objections of Reclaim Australia, for instance in relation to halal certification and Sharia law, were not well informed.

“They need to be sure their position is an informed position. It doesn’t mean they need to agree with Muslims, but they need to be more informed than the current level of public discourse,” she said.
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This is what Howard and now Abbott have turned this country into. It's hateful
Sadly... yup. The consequences of dog-whistling.
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Gets better, too. All those who claimed that there was no religious aspect to the Reclaimers? - http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-04-0...groups/6370672
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About 300 people attended the rally at Parliament Place in Perth, including men, women and children.

Some of the men had their faces covered with skull masks or flags.

In their speeches, Reclaim Australia advocates denied several times that they were racist and said they just wanted Australia to be a Christian-based society.
Whoops. Bet that wasn't in the script...
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It both saddens and disgusts me that some Australians are so gullible as to think that Islam is taking over Australia. The majority of Australians are tolerant, compassionate, caring people. It's sad that some people read the exaggerated and sensationalized media reports and allow fear and ignorance guide their actions and speech. I, for one, applaud the AFA on their stance and the statement above.
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It both saddens and disgusts me that some Australians are so gullible as to think that Islam is taking over Australia. The majority of Australians are tolerant, compassionate, caring people. It's sad that some people read the exaggerated and sensationalized media reports and allow fear and ignorance guide their actions and speech. I, for one, applaud the AFA on their stance and the statement above.
I could not agree more Bobbi!

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Hmmmmmmmm....

Well, Australia is a "soft" theocracy, and so long as that condition remains, Australia is vulnerable to to more serious forms of religious influence.

Unless or until Australia [or anywhere else] has a population that strongly supports strict secularism, then any religion, be it Christian, Muslim or whatever is a clear and present danger to the State and the personal freedoms of it's citizenry.

I don't accept that we are a kind and benign people. We may think or hope we are, but our history contradicts these sentiments. We took this land by force, we have invited ourselves to foreign wars, etc. In this we are not unusual, but we should not be smug in thinking we are particularly fair, kind or easy-going.

How to combat radicalization in religion is topical at the moment, but Australians seem only concerned about Islamic radicalism rather than radicalism in other religions, and seem to turn a blind eye to christian radicalism.

We may see radical religion, especially if it is violent, as a clear danger, but we are generally lacking in insight that ALL religions, however benign, are harmful. Indeed, the current thinking among most people is that religion is the cure for the disease of religious terrorism. This is as logical as inviting a drunk to feel better by having the "hair of the dog".
People do not generally pose the question as to WHY religions can so easily mutate into obviously noxious forms like Islamic terrorism.
Muslim apologetics make "No true Scotsman" fallacies when they dismiss Islamic terrorists as not true Muslims. It is racist/bigoted to single Islam for such fallacies, because all religions do it. A child-raping priest is not a true Catholic, a tax-dodging evangelical is not a true protestant.
Such crimes are dismissed as individual failings, thus diverting people from what should be an obvious conclusion-factors of the belief system itself is contributing to the lawlessness and immorality. It does not matter what religion, because any faith-based system will contribute to such dysfunctional behavior. It does not even have to be a religion, it can be anti-vaccination cults or UFO-freaks.
The question we really need to get out there is why some people think religion [any religion] is a net plus to human happiness and progress. So long as "mild" religions are seen as benign or beneficial, there will always be terrorism. Because these memes are highly and easily mutatable.
This is not to say that measures that reduce poverty, injustice, etc do not help. They do. But they miss the point. Some terrorist have university degrees and come from well-off families, so poverty and injustice is not the only driver of radicalism.
Of course I abhor the bigotry being dished out to the Islamic community. The irony of Christian Tony Abbot calling ISIS a "death cult" is so funny one wants to die with embarrassment. The "answer" to thuggery is more thuggery.
Somehow, we must change the debate.
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Absolutely, a good dose of critical thinking would be a good innoculation against the mind virus that sees people slipping from their cultural default (the religion they were raised in) into violent extremism.

But don't look to the clerical leadership to make that move. The same critical thinking has a strong effect of also reducing their power. Grass roots is the way to go. I f Muslim can say "Je suis Charlie" and an atheist can say "I'll ride with you", for example.

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Old 7th April 2015, 01:38 PM
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I have been reading various news reports about these protests from all over the world. The scariest was the Australian, not for the article but the comments, I must have read 50 comments before i could take no more and of them all I saw 1 commenter that wasn't pro Reclaim Australia. Scary stuff.

There were a couple of sad/dumb trends.
- They claimed the 'socialists' are the bigots and RA are trying to help the oppressed women and gays in Muslim communities unlike the left who defend their oppression. Lol. Yet why do they protest just the Muslims, why not the catholic church demanding female priests and gay marriage in church?
- They claim the skin heads were paid to be there from the socialist alliance and not part of their protest. LOL

The spin the RA put on it all is quiet interesting, stupid but interesting in how desperate they are too deny any wrongdoing on their 'side'.

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