Using simple logic to prove the presence of God

[Iseeyouthere]

I feel ignored...

[Sir Patrick Crocodile]

Originally Posted by Makeen

Can you refute me? I used logic and simple English. Why the need for a complex scientific advance when I've used something more simple (English and Logic). I don't want to go off topic please.

Try and refute me first. Then I'll be more than willing to refute you.

(PS: the leprachaun on my shoulder says "ha ha" and when I asked why he was laughing he said "because nobody can prove I do not exist")

[gruber]

1) People salughter each other for power, therefor Khorne

2) People take part in sadistic acts to reach the limits of pleasure, therefor Slaannesh

3) People die of disease and rot, therefor Nurgle

4) People plot and manipulate to gain power and sow destruction, therefor Tzeentch.


Can you refute me? I used logic and simple English

[Logic please]

Originally Posted by Makeen

Can you refute me? I used logic and simple English. Why the need for a complex scientific advance when I've used something more simple (English and Logic). I don't want to go off topic please.

OK. Your assertions are logically invalid. They incorrectly categorise "truths" as something in the natural world. They're not. An island is not a "truth". It's a body of land surrounded by water. I think that covers it, for the moment.

Now, about your answer to my quoted question above, and the rest of my second post?

[stewiegriffin81]

Originally Posted by Makeen

a - When we discover something true, we have discovered truth

This is a tautological statement.

Originally Posted by Makeen

b - For truth to be discovered, it must exist.

Exist in what sense?

"I enjoy peanut butter sandwiches" is a true statement when stated by me. Does this truth exist in a meaningful way?

Originally Posted by Makeen

c - Truth therefore exists before it is discovered

Did the truth that I enjoy peanut butter sandwiches exist before I discovered it? Did it exist before I existed?

[Makeen]

Is there not a right minded individual among you? I am asking something so very reasonable. I have raised an argument or set of arguments, and all I'm asking you to do (if you can) is to refute me. I don't want to hear your poor sense of humour or witness you being evasive. Lets focus on the topic on hand. Prove me wrong. It's as simple as that. Prove my statements to be incorrect. You're asking for proof, my statements are proof therefore if I am wrong show me why I'm wrong. I've put my head on the guillotine here and have raised some arguments. If I am wrong then prove me wrong. Refute me.

Don't give me the excuse that I have placed a burden on you. All I'm simply asking is to prove me wrong.

Iseeyouthere I have not ignored you.

All I've written is 6 or 7 lines and Hardly any of you have been able to respond refuting such a short series of statements.

It's actually quite reassuring and I know it's heavy.

[Makeen]

Ah finally some responses. Lets get to the debate then. Thank you for responding with arguments. Lets get to it then.

[Iseeyouthere]

Originally Posted by Makeen

Iseeyouthere I have not ignored you.

Yeah you have.
You haven't proven that what I said is wrong.
Must be too heavy on your mind.

[Logic please]

Originally Posted by Makeen

I don't want to hear your poor sense of humour or witness you being evasive.

Big words, those. Hope you don't trip over them.

And again, we don't have to disprove your assertions, you are required to provide evidence for them.

[dilbadoon]

Originally Posted by Makeen

Is there not a right minded individual among you?

Please, don't come and patronise us (previous comment retracted)

Originally Posted by Makeen

I am asking something so very reasonable. I have raised an argument or set of arguments, and all I'm asking you to do (if you can) is to refute me. I don't want to hear your poor sense of humour or witness you being evasive.

Well, first up i'm not even sure if I need or want to refute you, i've said i'm having a hard time understanding your points, I tried to give you my interpretation, and asked you to clarify based on that. Considering this passive aggressive wiffle that you respond with, i'd say your the one being evasive.

Originally Posted by Makeen

Lets focus on the topic on hand. Prove me wrong. It's as simple as that.

Clarify your OP, it's as simple as that.

Originally Posted by Makeen

Prove my statements to be incorrect. You're asking for proof, my statements are proof therefore if I am wrong show me why I'm wrong. I've put my head on the guillotine here and have raised some arguments. If I am wrong then prove me wrong. Refute me.

Don't give me the excuse that I have placed a burden on you. All I'm simply asking is to prove me wrong.

Iseeyouthere I have not ignored you.

All I've written is 6 or 7 lines and Hardly any of you have been able to respond refuting such a short series of statements.

It's actually quite reassuring and I know it's heavy.

Heavy? I'd say poorly worded, convoluted and confusing maybe.