Go Back   AFA Forums > Atheism > Global Atheist Convention Forum

Global Atheist Convention Forum All discussions regarding the AFA's Global Atheist Conventions

Reply
 
Thread Tools
  #11  
Old 16th April 2012, 12:28 PM
TimB's Avatar
TimB TimB is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Sydney
Posts: 385
Default Re: GAC 2012 in the media

And a round up of the weekend from the man in the rather loud jacket...

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/blogs/...416-1x2lw.html
__________________
“I contend that we are both Atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours” – Stephen Roberts
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 16th April 2012, 12:34 PM
the_gelf the_gelf is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Perth, Western Australia
Posts: 1,917
Default Re: GAC 2012 in the media

Quote:
TimB said View Post
There is this from the SMH this morning by Chris Berg

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/societ...414-1wzyg.html

I think the author completely gets things arse about. For example...

"
Yet virtually all the secular ideas that non-believers value have Christian origins. To pretend otherwise is to toss the substance of those ideas away. It was theologians and religiously minded philosophers who developed the concepts of individual and human rights. Same with progress, reason, and equality before the law: it is fantasy to suggest these values emerged out of thin air once people started questioning God.
"
No shit, no non-believer is saying that some religiously minded philosophers etc didn't contribute to developing concepts of individual and human rights, a lot of these people did this in opposition to position of their respective churches. The point is that it wasn't the main stream churches coming up with these ideas, it was liberally minded people of both religious and non-religious dispositions who developed and campaigned for these ideas.

And guess what, the idea of secularism started not because the big dominant christian churches necessarily wanted a nice tolerant multi faith society, the concept was developed to protect the rights of people to follow whatever version of their religion they wanted without the fear of being persecuted by, yep you guessed it, the dominant "christian" churches.

Yes of course christians played a role in developing secular ideas, but you can't lay the credit for all this at the feet of "Christianity" - that would be fantasy.

I think Chris Berg needs to read AC Grayling's book "Towards the Light: The Story of the Struggles for Liberty and Rights That Made the Modern West". It's a good read.
Challenge that guy to show some values that are only christian, and not present in nonchristian societies (otherwise known as the other 90% of the world that he doesn't care about). Then introduce equal rights for women, equal rights for gay/lesbian, pro-choice abortion and ask him what his bible tells him about those. Any leftover can easily be shown to have stolen their ideas from Romans +Greek (Mithras is great for this, as well as the December Solstice celebration)
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 16th April 2012, 01:35 PM
owheelj's Avatar
owheelj owheelj is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Hobart
Posts: 2,040
Default Re: GAC 2012 in the media

Here are a few better articles from The Age;

http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/blo...416-1x2lw.html - Dick Gross may have been shit on politics, but I thought this was a fair article.

http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/edi...414-1x0ef.html
- Editorial from The Age about the broader benefits of having a GAC.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 16th April 2012, 02:22 PM
davros davros is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 58
Default Re: GAC 2012 in the media

A slightly strange take, mostly focussing on Ayaan Hirsi Ali:

http://www.crikey.com.au/?p=285316
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 16th April 2012, 02:36 PM
Logic's Avatar
Logic Logic is offline
Up there for thinking...
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Brisbane
Posts: 2,079
Default

Quote:
owheelj said View Post
Here are a few better articles from The Age;

http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/blo...416-1x2lw.html - Dick Gross may have been shit on politics, but I thought this was a fair article..
Just had a read of this one,I feel a tad bad for dick gross that no one wanted his signature for their copy of his book.


i sent this from my iPad
__________________
“The only position that leaves me with no cognitive dissonance is atheism. It is not a creed. Death is certain, replacing both the siren-song of Paradise and the dread of Hell. Life on this earth, with all its mystery and beauty and pain, is then to be lived far more intensely: we stumble and get up, we are sad, confident, insecure, feel loneliness and joy and love. There is nothing more; but I want nothing more.” -Christopher Hitchens
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 16th April 2012, 02:43 PM
Praxis's Avatar
Praxis Praxis is offline
Here come the drums, here come the drums!
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Melbourne
Posts: 7,327
Default

Well I certainly feel much more welcome in my birth city now I know that some are happy to have the godless amongst them.



GACing & Tapping
__________________
I've never been very good at knowing "my place". Well actually I have, it's just never been where you want it to be.
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 18th April 2012, 01:00 AM
Robs.au Robs.au is offline
AFA Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Sydney
Posts: 7
Default Re: GAC 2012 in the media

Out of interest, do the media get invited to send delegates to attend and report on the event?
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 18th April 2012, 07:29 AM
BlueDevil's Avatar
BlueDevil BlueDevil is offline
Explorer of Inner Space
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Melbourne
Posts: 2,697
Default Re: GAC 2012 in the media

Well done Andrew, a good interview.
__________________
"Instead of being born again why don't you just grow up"

Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 20th April 2012, 02:24 PM
BlueDevil's Avatar
BlueDevil BlueDevil is offline
Explorer of Inner Space
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Melbourne
Posts: 2,697
Default Re: GAC 2012 in the media

Here is one that skipped by me. Has possibly been posted elswhere?

__________________
"Instead of being born again why don't you just grow up"

Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 20th April 2012, 07:25 PM
OzAtheist's Avatar
OzAtheist OzAtheist is offline
AFA Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Newcastle, NSW
Posts: 254
Default Re: GAC 2012 in the media

Quote:
BlueDevil said View Post
Here is one that skipped by me. Has possibly been posted elsewhere?
Interesting comment from the guy at the end, basically a lapsed catholic who considers he's probably an agnostic. I think it's these type of people who the "hardcore" atheist society should be targeting as much, if not more, than religious people.

If we can convince these 'agnostics' to come to the "dark side of atheism" we might have a better chance of diminishing the impact of religion in general.

But this is a whole other topic for discussion...

my 2c
__________________
I think, therefore I'm not a sheep
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT +11. The time now is 10:26 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Feedback Buttons provided by Advanced Post Thanks / Like (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2018 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.