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Old 22nd February 2012, 01:53 PM
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Please present a compelling explanation why naturalism is true

how can we explain our existence through naturalism ? how can natural events account for

- the existence of the universe
- its fine-tuning
- the existence of life
- the existence of consciousness, intelligence, hability of speech
- morality
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Old 22nd February 2012, 02:07 PM
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Old 22nd February 2012, 02:12 PM
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Welcome to the forum.
Why does it need to explain itself?
I would like to counter with, how can something that doesn't exist explain the existence of things?
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Old 22nd February 2012, 02:14 PM
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Got sick of RatSkep trashing all your unevidenced assertions eh Jireh?
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Why? If you understood your questions you wouldn't need to ask.


Oh and thanks for the welcome message/introduction. It's always nice and friendly when new people introduce themselves to a new community.

Oh wait, you didn't. Scratch that.
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Old 22nd February 2012, 02:21 PM
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Please present a compelling explanation why naturalism is true

how can we explain our existence through naturalism ? how can natural events account for

- the existence of the universe
- its fine-tuning
- the existence of life
- the existence of consciousness, intelligence, hability of speech
- morality
You are asking how can natural events account for natural events. Fucking brilliant.

Please provide us with a detailed explanation of how your god created morality, or life, or the universe, step by step. Thanks.

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Old 22nd February 2012, 02:26 PM
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- the existence of the universe (astrologist)
- its fine-tuning (what fine tuning, that we are spinning really rfast?)
- the existence of life (ask a biologist or a chemist who studies abiogensis)
- the existence of consciousness, intelligence, hability of speech (evolutionary biologist)
- morality (neuroscientist)


Or instead of trying to score some points or thinking you can go "See those ebil athiests dont know anything" by posting a unclear question, you could go use that wonderful search engine called Google
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Old 22nd February 2012, 02:30 PM
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Jireh's answer to my question about exactly how his god created anything will probably resemble closely this answer he gave to a corresponding question on RatSkep. I read it a few minutes ago, after posting above.
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I believe in the God of the bible. The bible does not go into details, so i cannot provide you details either. Neither do i think that is a relevant question. Relevant is just to know, that the God of the bible created everything.
Mr Black, above, is already correct. Vast ignorance means to Jireh that he must be right.
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Please present a compelling explanation why naturalism is true
What is "naturalism" all about?

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how can we explain our existence through naturalism ?
Not sure what "naturalism" is. Sorry.

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how can natural events account for

- the existence of the universe
Because we can fucking see it, so we know the universe exists.

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- its fine-tuning
Who is fine-tuning the universe?

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- the existence of life
Well those mushrooms didn't exactly poof themselves into existence did they?

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- the existence of consciousness, intelligence, hability of speech
I cannot believe this is not obvious. There is a natural tendancy for conscious people with very little intelligence to make long shitboring speeches these days.

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- morality
Are you a theist by any chance? If so I have another question waiting.
EDIT: It appears you are a christian apparently.

If your god asked you to kill somebody then would you do it? YES or NO

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