Saved by Grace

[Goldenmane]

Originally Posted by cotto

1: The 50/50 thing is for the simple mind to try and understand things about God, to get them curious, to make them think about it instead of just rejecting it because the have a little crew backing them up.

2: The gospels were written by Jesus's companions and disciples. Eye wittnesses. like me writing about you, if i was watching you do something.

3: whos that guy? the one who says hell isnt real? that it was made up by the church. hes not saved! He hasnt read his bible. niether have you guys because it talks about how people are going to make things up(false prophets) and lead people away from Christ.

4: Jesus came to warn us of what is to come. Hell was made for satan and his angels when the rebelled against Christ. if you reject Christ, you choose hell.

All these arguements are so silly.

I missed replying to this post yesterday. i'll try to remember to get back to it in a little while, because whilst it's short it's dense in wrong, in more ways than one, and will provide a good example.

For now, though, I'll simply point out that the Bible doesn't say anyfuckingthing about Satan and his angels rebelling against anyone, least of all Mr-Magic-Pants-Christ. That shit is a (vastly) later literary creation found (IIRC) in Paradise Lost. Go read the story of Job, for fuck's sake. Satan (literally, 'Adversary') is a fucking lawyer in the direct employ of Yahweh.

[Sir Patrick Crocodile]

He may be onto something. As shown by the video below, Jesus Christ is clearly speaking through this hippopotamus. And it is one inspirational speech indeed:



Hallelujah! Oh LORD have mercy!

[cotto]

Geoff, hope you had a great weekend mate.

Just one example of heaps..and the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever. (Revelation 20:10 ESV)

Or another..The seventy-two returned with joy, saying, "Lord, even the demons are subject to us in your name!" And he said to them, "I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven. Behold, I have given you authority to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing shall hurt you. Nevertheless, do not rejoice in this, that the spirits are subject to you, but rejoice that your names are written in heaven." (Luke 10:17-20 ESV)

How many do you want mate? You clearly have not looked into that one.


What about some interesting sciencey stuff for ya?

Science has given us many w

[Sir Patrick Crocodile]

"You shall eat the flesh of your sons and the flesh of your daughters" - Lev 26:29

"I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things." - Isaiah 45:7

[cotto]

Geoff, hope you had a great weekend mate.

Just one example of heaps..and the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever. (Revelation 20:10 ESV)

Or another..The seventy-two returned with joy, saying, "Lord, even the demons are subject to us in your name!" And he said to them, "I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven. Behold, I have given you authority to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing shall hurt you. Nevertheless, do not rejoice in this, that the spirits are subject to you, but rejoice that your names are written in heaven." (Luke 10:17-20 ESV)

How many do you want mate? You clearly have not looked into that one.

[cotto]

And the crocodile guy before. Lev 26:29 is speaking of cannabalism as a result of people going against God. Well done mate. You pointed out a good prophetic piece of scripture. Have a look at this...http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/829...el-murder-case

Just one example of cannabalism in today's world. God speaks about how those who go against him fall into such a broken world. It's quite evident in today's society.

[Sir Patrick Crocodile]

And what about Isaiah 45:7 then? As for your response... so god couldn't prevent all this evil and shit from happening in the first place? Is he stupid, hateful, and/or weak? He's got to be at least one of these. Just ask Epicurus as he knows a lot about the subject:

“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?”

Now I have a question for you. It is a simple YES/NO question, and it is not difficult. If your god asked you to kill somebody then would you do it? <YES|NO>

And now that I think about it, if your god was responsible for what happened in your linked article, why is he such a good god? (please answer only after addressing the above!)

[ABridgeTooFar]

How old do you reckon the Earth is cotto?

[Logic please]

Originally Posted by Logic please

Hmmm... I'm interested in how you determined (process and evidence, please) that your deity's existence / non-existence is equiprobable?

Assuming that this line of yours, was purporting to answer my genuine question:

Originally Posted by cotto

1: The 50/50 thing is for the simple mind to try and understand things about God, to get them curious, to make them think about it instead of just rejecting it because the have a little crew backing them up.

Ah, I see. So, when you were being converted, did that "50/50" thingie work well on you, by any chance?

You've previously been asked nicely to use the button in the bottom right corner of each post, when replying to others. If there's a technical problem preventing you doing so, please advise. If not, use it!!!

[Goldenmane]

Originally Posted by cotto

Geoff, hope you had a great weekend mate.

I don't have weekends. So once more, it seems hopes don't intersect much with reality. Who knew?

Oh, yeah, anyone who paid attention.

Just one example of heaps..and the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever. (Revelation 20:10 ESV)

Oooh, excellent. We get to play the "who knows the Bible better?" game.

Firstly, that's from Revelations, which is about as obvious a fucking fever dream as it is possible to be, and has categorically nothing to do with Satan as being a fucking angel who rebelled against God.

Secondly, the book you're quoting also says something about anyone who selectively quotes from it without obeying the whole thing being as bad as the rest of us filthy scum, and joining us in the lake of fire. There are two ways to look at this:

1) The author is talking about the entire collected works known as The Bible (though I'm at a loss as to which version, since he was writing well before any cunt decided there should be a definitive canon) in which case you should be out there stoning adulterers and completely aware that your God is powerless in the presence of iron chariots, or;

2) He's talking about his fucked-up drug-fantasy, which is so rife with babbling incoherence as to make mocking it a civil fucking duty.

Either way, it has no obvious connection with your 'Satan was an angel who rebelled' bullshit.

I'll give you something to think on, for free: Angels can't rebel, according to at least one of the major versions of magical bullshit you seem to follow, since they don't have (allegedly) free will. This is the school which asserts that we - humans - have free will, which is what sets us apart as the whole Special Creation.

If we have free will, and angels don't, then either there is no Satan or God made Satan happen. Which means either Satan doesn't exist, or God is an arsehole.

Shall we continue to chase this shit in ever-decreasing circles? I do like a trip down the plug-hole.

Or another..The seventy-two returned with joy, saying, "Lord, even the demons are subject to us in your name!" And he said to them, "I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven. Behold, I have given you authority to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing shall hurt you. Nevertheless, do not rejoice in this, that the spirits are subject to you, but rejoice that your names are written in heaven." (Luke 10:17-20 ESV)

Hardly an extensive narrative on this Satan person rebelling against God, is it? He doesn't say when he saw it, what caused it, or anything even supporting the notion that he wasn't a poor fucked-up piece of human effluvium with delusions of grandeur and a quick (though shallow) tongue.

When was the last time you trod, with impunity, on a fucking cobra?

How many do you want mate?

Actually, I'd like two things:

1) You to not rely on web-searches (or your pastor) for a couple of quotes
from the Bible which you assume support your position, without actually demonstrating that they do in fact do so. I'd like you to actually spend a little time and effort demonstrating, in your own words, precisely how you arrive at your asserted conclusions; which leads us to:

2) I'd like you to take a few moments to realise that you haven't answered a single question in this thread. Not one. Despite claiming that you couldn't wait to address every single person.

Currently, I figure you're looking at a claims:demonstrated ratio of 38:0.

You clearly have not looked into that one.

I don't even need to address this, at this point. It's abundantly clear that my fucking stained bed-sheets have more of an understanding of the Bible than you've demonstrated so far.

What about some interesting sciencey stuff for ya?

Science has given us many w

Yeah, what about that interesting sciencey stuff?

Science has given us many what? Many ways of realising that mythology is bullshit? Hells yes. We've even worked out that the idea of the soul is probably bullshit, and probably largely due to the fact that the brain can't feel itself.

You already owe me a carton, and it seems obvious you don't actually know anything about science, so I'll take the safe bet: A carton says you can't say anything that makes any sense in scientific terms, and another carton says you won't actually bother responding to all them questions by people who aren't me.

By my count, you're now supplying my Chrstmas and New Year's parties.