Bryce1993 - convert to christianity - Page 3

c2105026 · #21 14th September 2011, 11:09 AM

Bryce1993 has probably not even left high school yet. When I was in high school I was buddhist, with a passing interest in christianity.

Several things have happened since November 16 2000 (date of my final HSC exam - modern history I think), in my life that have revealed to me the non-existence of god.

- I was coerced by family into a uni degree I hated, and was kept there. God would have seen that and allowed me to suffer in the sheer bordeom that is civil engineering theory.....

- I had acute relationship issues at uni, and turned to drinking and binge eating. I turned to 12 step programs, again to buddhism, working the spiritual 12 steps, praying to 'god' on a daily basis for recovery. The only recovery I got was when I took matters into my own hand and distanced myself from handing my problems over to someone else - its like passing the buck. I realised that my buck stopped with me and me alone. God must have enjoyed my suffering (that he must have designed and forecasted).

- God put 2 theists in my life whilst I was in Dubbo in the form of a devout catlick boss and an anglican ex-best mate who both made my life a living hell, and save for the wonders of human kindness of my parents and the human-designed drug zoloft I would have killed myself. Ergo, god would have to have designed me to kill myself.

- I am currently involved with Camp Quality. For those who are unfamiliar with it, it assists children living with cancer. For a child with terminal cancer, god has obviously left them. They have not sinned. They never picked up sticks on the sabbath, or had same sex relations. God would had to have designed this cruel situation. I see it as my atheist duty to step in where god has obviously left.

- If god really did love me, and wanted me to believe in him, why place me in Parkes Target that thursday night in early may 2007, wandering about aimlessly, seeing a copy of 'god delusion', giving me the impulse to buy it and read it? If god was so real, and confident, why does my faith need to be challenged all the time?

I smell a fish......like that of the christian symbol....and its name is 'religion'.

youngmoigle · #22 14th September 2011, 12:27 PM

Bryce1993, my usual request of Christians on Fantasy Island: Could you describe your god (otherwise I won't know what you are talking about). Then could you provide evidence for it's existence. If you acknowledge this post you will be one of the few, and if you actually answer my questions, you will be the first.

This is the sort of reply I usually get. I'm hoping you can do a little better:
http://www.atheistfoundation.org.au/...2&postcount=77

Loki · #23 14th September 2011, 12:49 PM

Anyone who really wants to believe that they are born evil and have to live their lives hating themselves for all the sins they are not guilty of is welcome to do just that. Just don't expect society to afford you special privilege to do so.

As to whether any of the numerous claims made by theists have any basis in fact, it is entirely appropriate for people to examine each claim and to come to a conclusion based of the evidence available, such as it is. Whining about people disassembling the claims made and showing their inconsistencies and errors is but more special pleading, either a claim stands on its own merits or it fails, wishing will not change that.

I'd be really interested to hear how points made about the claims of Lennox are "crap", though I suspect I might be waiting a while.

dilbadoon · #24 14th September 2011, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Bryce1993

I am more significant than a random group of atoms. My DNA, all 3 billion characters of it, were designed for a purpose - (Lennox

'if you found your name written on a beach you would infer intelligence, yet our DNA is 3 billion characters long and people say random mutation'
God is good.

What do you think the purpose you were designed for is?

Do you believe in evolution?

wolty · #25 14th September 2011, 03:29 PM

That's part of the beauty of christianity as a cult.
Born with original sin but soooo special that the world was created just for them.
Build you up with one statement and then take away with the other. No wonder christians are confused by how they should relate to other people. They are super special but flawed. It really helps with the entitlement thing, helps with telling the rest of the world how they should live their lives and throws up other problems like relating to the environment and how it should be exploited.

It's all so inane.

Fearless · #26 14th September 2011, 04:43 PM

It's also easier to support a fantasy with more fantasy.

Praxis · #27 14th September 2011, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by wolty

That's part of the beauty of christianity as a cult.
Born with original sin but soooo special that the world was created just for them.
Build you up with one statement and then take away with the other. No wonder christians are confused by how they should relate to other people. They are super special but flawed. It really helps with the entitlement thing, helps with telling the rest of the world how they should live their lives and throws up other problems like relating to the environment and how it should be exploited.

It's all so inane.

Ladies and gentleman - WOLTY!!!

*rapturous [see what I did there?] applause*

All the best Byce. You're young and you're searching. You want to feel special and that there's a reason for this whole mucky business called life. Maturity will bring with it (hopefully) the knowledge that you're not and there isn't. And guess what? That's okay!

The 'humility' of the religious is the most disingenuous thing there is. They have none because they truly believe they are special and 'chosen'. What's humble about that? I much prefer the frank honesty of the atheists who understand that we truly have no importance in the big scheme of things and cheerfully accept it.

Keep questioning. As Mr Black suggested, get into theology, the bible and all that stuff very deeply. If you're really a thinking person and not a sheep, then you'll not fail to see the clear logical fallacies, gaping flaws, and laughable inaccuracies that abound in christianity. Then, start reading some science. Read Sagan, read Dawkins. Read Darwin.

And one day, I hope you'll realise what is true and what is just a fantasy for people who cannot cope with the fact that they're going to die and cease to exist one day.

Let's hope that day isn't too far into the future and that you waste a lot of time on religous nonsense.

Cheers.

Goldenmane · #28 14th September 2011, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxis

All the best Byce. You're young and you're searching. You want to feel special and that there's a reason for this whole mucky business called life. Maturity will bring with it (hopefully) the knowledge that you're not and there isn't. And guess what? That's okay!

This will sound trite and unworthy, in some ways, but it's not meant to be anything other than a (somewhat wry) observation: You know the It Gets Better Campaign? I think we need one of those, for religion.

Quote:

Keep questioning. As Mr Black suggested, get into theology, the bible and all that stuff very deeply. If you're really a thinking person and not a sheep, then you'll not fail to see the clear logical fallacies, gaping flaws, and laughable inaccuracies that abound in christianity. Then, start reading some science. Read Sagan, read Dawkins. Read Darwin.

Read Goldenmane.

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And one day, I hope you'll realise what is true and what is just a fantasy for people who cannot cope with the fact that they're going to die and cease to exist one day.

Let's hope that day isn't too far into the future and that you waste a lot of time on religous nonsense.

I'll just point out that the people I know of who are best at this stuff generally have been those who have delved so deep into the bullshit that they've come out the other side. And that takes some time.