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Old 25th February 2012, 06:26 PM
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Folks,

I haven't posted on here in quite some time - but what happened last November on Facebook has prompted me to write another thread.

My sister is gay and I pointed her in the direction of a note I saw on a 'friend's' profile. Said friend had commented on it and what I read disgusted me.

Then my sister decided to enlighten them - but, as we know with these evangelical types - they seem to avoid all forms of logic and reason.

I've uploaded the *.png file here as it was too large to attach to this thread.

Please share and let me know what you think.

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Old 25th February 2012, 06:31 PM
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Welcome back PJ.
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Old 25th February 2012, 06:36 PM
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Your sister comes across as a reasonable and reasoned individual, good on her for taking on unreasoned bigotry. That is all.

It's surprising how often religious cant is used as an excuse to express one's bigotry, religion merely as a useful vehicle for hate.

The old "when did you decide to be straight" line may have helped here, but from the replies, maybe not.
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Old 25th February 2012, 06:59 PM
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Hehe, yes - that line would have worked on someone with reason, Loki.

Great post, The irreverent Mr. Black.

Thank you all for your posts.

I forgot to mention that the OP of that Facebook note was around 15 years of age. However, everyone else was above 20. Goes to show what child indoctrination can do.
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Old 25th February 2012, 07:08 PM
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@PJ: somebody needed to ask them when they're getting those new slaves they ordered, and whether they would make a burnt offering of the little kiddies on request of their deity.

Cherry-picking arguments from claimed religious authority, to reverse-engineer justifications of existing personal preferences, methinks.
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Old 25th February 2012, 07:09 PM
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... I forgot to mention that the OP of that Facebook note was around 15 years of age...
*shakes head*
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Old 25th February 2012, 07:14 PM
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Hey PJ

Teasing out the points made in the comment provided by Mr Black: Leviticus says a lot of things. Why pick on this particular one? Because it suits the preferences of those who like to pick those bits out of the bible, it seems to me; it feeds the need of insecure people to feel superior to others and have someone to define themselves in opposition to.

Frankly I find I have considerable more respect for people like Quakers and Reformed Jews who at least have the honesty to look at their holy scriptures and understand them as (i) frequently contradictory and incoherent and (ii) historical documents that in many parts don't stand up to the idea that people have intrinsic value and should, in moral terms, be approached in that manner.
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Old 25th February 2012, 11:28 PM
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I am baffled. Since when was logic and reason a bad thing. Why isn't the core of their faith rattled when it is put to them that they would most likely worship another god if they were born in a different time or place?

Their illogical thinking astounds me. I was a Christian up until my creationist biology teacher taught me about Gondwanaland. I had no concept of evolution until Year 10. Belief in a deity was completely logical and rational to me, but when presented with evidence rather than something I'd simply been told, it made me question my beliefs for years until I ultimately had my conscience raised and stopped believing.

In the responses to OP, there have been some enlightening phrases and thoughts, so, thank you once again. However, does anyone have a different way of thinking to stop me from doing my own head in wondering how it is possible to have, in the 21st century, people who are just so damned idiotic?

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Old 25th February 2012, 11:33 PM
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Look after your own mental health first PJ.
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Old 25th February 2012, 11:49 PM
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Why isn't the core of their faith rattled when it is put to them that they would most likely worship another god if they were born in a different time or place?
You've defeated your own argument by using the word "faith" - belief without or despite evidence. It's quite difficult to rattle a belief which has no basis in observed reality, and believers in general try very hard to avoid situations where they might inadvertently be exposed to dissonance.

What triggers actual critical thought in those who manage to think their way out I do not know, though for many I suspect that critical words from others make little impact.

As Thunderfoot said - "Religion only fails when you test it". He's not talking about atheists, he's talking about theists actually employing critical thought in relation to their beliefs. Rather apt I reckon.
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