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Old 14th July 2017, 03:45 PM
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When i read the account of Christ and I read it as a myth that was meant to be examined as testimony I imagine that instead of reading a book Luke, John, or Matthew are at the bar just telling me a story about some guy they knew. This is what a testimony is after all: a story someone tells you. If a book is written in the format of a testimony thus you must not necessarily believe the narrator at all times. Sometimes you can assume that he is lying or exaggerating things just like a stranger telling you a story at a bar would. (Sorry for the long intro but it will help the rest of this make sense... hopefully) So following this logic and using its lens to examine the bible I make 3 assumptions as I read the accounts of Christs life.

1 - Jesus is not divine and has no special powers. (ex. I've never seen a dude walk on water why would I believe a testimony that says someone saw someone do it somewhere.)

2 - No one else has special powers everyone is a human limited by the knowledge and culture of Iron Age Middle East.

3 - Jesus is corruptible just like every other person.

Now with all this in play as I go through the bible I hear a story about a Iron age Rabbi that ran an organization with lots of hall marks of a cult like abandoning families to follow a holy teacher, giving up wealth, and dedicating one entire life soul, body, and mind to the holy teacher. Further this holy teacher showed them a bunch of cheap parlor tricks. The holy teacher was so narcissistic and egocentric that anytime anything other then him comes up he tells you how unimportant it is compared to him and tells you to give up everything just to worship him and serve him.

Further he is reckless and his delusions of grandeur like thinking he is himself a god as well as his corrupt nature like soaking himself in a years wages worth of perfume in one sitting in front of a bunch of people who gave everything up to obey and follow him. The picture is clear. I do not see a wise and loving guy. I see Charles Manson or Marshall Applewhite.

My analysis lead me to make this documentary about the life of Christ where I go into detail and develop my thesis from birth to crucifixion. If you care for such a thing here is a link.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6phUjAXqCT4&t=25s
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I added a few talking points from the movie itself. They are chosen at random. The graphics were, to my view, unpleasant, so I downloaded the video to listen later.



1. You could see a bunch of stories, with a central figure who is as historical as Robin Hood.
2. Given the later than 100CE origin of the gospels, and the slant of the fiction, it would be like profiling Harry Potter.
3. The stories pretty well define Jesus as gay/asexual. How are you attributing a boner for women to him here?

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I would have loved to see some analysis like the film-maker promised.

I would have loved to see some consistency.

I would have loved to un-see those awful kiddie fridge drawing graphics.

Minus lots of stars out of zero. My time was wasted, like that of the guy who made the film.
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Hi tys.

If you are genuinely interested in the origins of what is today's Bible, there are scholarly and critical books on every aspect of the subject as is only to be expected.

Their authors may not be correct on every point according to other scholars in the polemics normal to scholarship but the main point stands that even if there were some Jesus character with followers, there was no Christ. Claims to the supernatural are spurious, unsubstantiated.

I read Raphael Lataster, There Was No Jesus, There Is No God. An examination of claimed authenticity of documents using a Bayesian critical methodology. It is an educative read.

A member here observed 'Christianity is a cult that got lucky.' Right on. Studying history is always profitable.

Some titles,

https://www.bookdepository.com/searc...arch=Find+book
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I added a few talking points from the movie itself. They are chosen at random. The graphics were, to my view, unpleasant, so I downloaded the video to listen later.



1. You could see a bunch of stories, with a central figure who is as historical as Robin Hood.
2. Given the later than 100CE origin of the gospels, and the slant of the fiction, it would be like profiling Harry Potter.
3. The stories pretty well define Jesus as gay/asexual. How are you attributing a boner for women to him here?

Let's go!
To the OP:

You're qualified to psychoanalyse this semi-mythical figure how exactly?

I mean, don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to be a cunt (I just am one, no effort required) but I'm hoping that you've at least got some appropriate background in psychology or psychiatry as well as textual analysis and perhaps linguistic and historical qualifications that place you in a position to reasonably be able to claim the ability to perform such a psychoanalysis.

Because here's the thing: There are far too many people utterly bereft of anything remotely resembling such backgrounds and skills who nevertheless seem to think that carnival barkery will stand them in good stead as substitutes, and unfortunately there are enough "atheists" who are happy to jump on the provided bandwagons to both provide such charlatans with a lucrative font of funds (not to mention adoring fuckbunnies) and to give me a constant low-level fucking headache.

So my advice is that you maybe establish your credentials. You've got the relevant degrees, you speak the appropriate languages fluently, you're across all the relevant literature, the usual shit. The sort of shit that anyone seeking to set themselves up as an authority on a subject has to fucking do before being taken seriously.

Now, you may (if you're being clever) say, "Well, who the fuck are you to demand such things? Where is your proof of authority?" And the answer is quite simple: I have no fucking authority. I have no academic qualifications worth mentioning. I'm a fucking pool boy. I dropped out of uni. Twice. My highest academic qualification is that several academics will happily call me a cunt in public.

But that doesn't matter one iota. I'm not the one claiming the ability to psychoanalyse a myth.

I am, however, the one who called Christianity "a cult that got lucky". You can google that shit.
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Hi Tys
Life is too short to watch all the youtube stuff that gets uploaded so i generally give it a miss.
Jesus as dude really isn't that important to Christianity. If he came back now, as Dostoyevsky noted, he would be crucified again.
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I am, however, the one who called Christianity "a cult that got lucky". You can google that shit.
So it was you GM. I could not recall after the span of time since you came up with it and never even thought to google it. One learns.

Anyway it's a proper good meme and may it proliferate.
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I added a few talking points from the movie itself. They are chosen at random. The graphics were, to my view, unpleasant, so I downloaded the video to listen later.



1. You could see a bunch of stories, with a central figure who is as historical as Robin Hood.
2. Given the later than 100CE origin of the gospels, and the slant of the fiction, it would be like profiling Harry Potter.
3. The stories pretty well define Jesus as gay/asexual. How are you attributing a boner for women to him here?

Let's go!
these are great questions thanks for checking out my work.

Jesus is not historical there is no evidence he was at least for now but he is a character of literature and thus fun to analyze.

I agree it is like profiling Harry Potter, its fun

So my analysis of the Canaanite woman lead me to believe Jesus was aroused by her because at first he wanted nothing to do with her as she was a gentile however after he told her that "the masters bread is not for her" she answered that she will be a good dog and only eat the crumbs that fall off her masters table. Now tell me this doesn't sound like the beginning of a bad bdsm porno.
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To the OP:

You're qualified to psychoanalyse this semi-mythical figure how exactly?

I mean, don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to be a cunt (I just am one, no effort required) but I'm hoping that you've at least got some appropriate background in psychology or psychiatry as well as textual analysis and perhaps linguistic and historical qualifications that place you in a position to reasonably be able to claim the ability to perform such a psychoanalysis.

Because here's the thing: There are far too many people utterly bereft of anything remotely resembling such backgrounds and skills who nevertheless seem to think that carnival barkery will stand them in good stead as substitutes, and unfortunately there are enough "atheists" who are happy to jump on the provided bandwagons to both provide such charlatans with a lucrative font of funds (not to mention adoring fuckbunnies) and to give me a constant low-level fucking headache.

So my advice is that you maybe establish your credentials. You've got the relevant degrees, you speak the appropriate languages fluently, you're across all the relevant literature, the usual shit. The sort of shit that anyone seeking to set themselves up as an authority on a subject has to fucking do before being taken seriously.

Now, you may (if you're being clever) say, "Well, who the fuck are you to demand such things? Where is your proof of authority?" And the answer is quite simple: I have no fucking authority. I have no academic qualifications worth mentioning. I'm a fucking pool boy. I dropped out of uni. Twice. My highest academic qualification is that several academics will happily call me a cunt in public.

But that doesn't matter one iota. I'm not the one claiming the ability to psychoanalyse a myth.

I am, however, the one who called Christianity "a cult that got lucky". You can google that shit.
You do not need credentials to psychoanalyze anyone people do it with every single person they meet everyday everyone analyzes everyone elses behavior. You realize im looking at mythology no treating a patient, no credentials needed.

It sounds like tell me your credetials is your way of saying I have nothing valid to offer to this discussion so Im going to try to ask for a bunch of paperwork just to even allow this conversation to happen. LOL your oratory tactics are adorable.

From your description of qualifications I basically match you in my qualifications I dropped out of college I work as a video editor but make very little.

However unlike you I am not under some delusion that only certain people can discuss literature.

I made a case, I sited my case, and I explained how I got to my conclusion. Yes this is not science its literature there are no right answers but I gave my point of view reasoning and if you disagree with it or agree with it tell me why. Do not tell me I can read and talk about a book. Do you expect only submarine experts to talk about red October do you not see how stupid that sounds.
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I added a few talking points from the movie itself. They are chosen at random. The graphics were, to my view, unpleasant, so I downloaded the video to listen later.



1. You could see a bunch of stories, with a central figure who is as historical as Robin Hood.
2. Given the later than 100CE origin of the gospels, and the slant of the fiction, it would be like profiling Harry Potter.
3. The stories pretty well define Jesus as gay/asexual. How are you attributing a boner for women to him here?

Let's go!
these are great questions thanks for checking out my work.

Jesus is not historical there is no evidence he was at least for now but he is a character of literature and thus fun to analyze.

I agree it is like profiling Harry Potter, its fun

So my analysis of the Canaanite woman lead me to believe Jesus was aroused by her because at first he wanted nothing to do with her as she was a gentile however after he told her that "the masters bread is not for her" she answered that she will be a good dog and only eat the crumbs that fall off her masters table. Now tell me this doesn't sound like the beginning of a bad bdsm porno.
Are you trying for a documentary, as you have said, or standup comedy?

Your "analysis" is so far very superficial.
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