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Old 13th November 2017, 10:10 PM
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Hi dadmansabode.

I trust you won't construe disrespect in this response to your demand for agreement on creationism/ ID.

The issue is not really the issue. You have been misled into believing creation/intelligent design is of primary importance, when it is so open to ridicule to anyone who has read an authentic popular science book.

You have your work cut out for you there. Anyway in America you may have some success.

Neither is Creationism/ID promulgated in the cause of defending bible literalism: 'the Word of God says it, that settles it, I believe it!' It isn't about honouring the Word of God.

It's about the implications of the ancient story of the Garden of Eden being a fiction.

1 - No Garden of Eden.

Because we now know the Earth is about 4.3 billion (thousand million) years old, being composed of matter, elements created under atomic fusion in a supernova, an exploding star somewhere in the vicinity of the Sun, where ejecta which headed the Sun's way got caught in orbit 4.3 billion years ago to condense and cool into the rocky planets, including Earth.

We are stardust. Surely you have heard this striking statement.

a/ - For about 700 million years on Earth there was just chemical reaction, chemistry, becoming more complex, until from this outworking, the first self replicating macro-molecule inevitably emerged, abiogenesis, the advent of life. This has a purely naturalistic explanation.

No one has an excuse not to understand the process of evolution by natural selection upon naturally occurring variation. I had to, from being a Christian for many years.

I recommend Richard Dawkins. He has written about 15 books, all wonderful books.

b/ - So life has been evolving and facing mass extinctions for 3.6 billion years.

2 - No Garden of Eden, no Adam and Eve, the putative first parents in the bible, no temptation and disobedience, no Fall, no inherited sin nature, requiring redemption by an arcane Middle Eastern absolute God who requires blood sacrifice, sacrificing himself, but he didn't really, because...

3/ Jesus vicarious atonement, the work of Calvary is entirely redundant. What you have everything invested in is a delusion. Education is the remedy.

4/ Creationism/ID is a distraction from the implications of evolution by natural selection and the findings of science, namely that the Jesus myth and the Jesus cult, Christianity, as is Judaism and Islam, religions from the same roots, are anachronistic today.

They never were true. The Old Testament is merely a historical curio. Same with the 'New Testament.'

We just didn't know any better before the 18th Century European Enlightenment to be able to refute them and transcend their authority and that of the Church.
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Old 14th November 2017, 03:03 AM
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I thought this was a good presentation for the origins of man and the Universe
Indeed the things seen came about by the things unseen




Indeed Science has no ability to touch the Supernatural (eternity) where time does not exist
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Old 14th November 2017, 03:17 AM
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theman707 said: I need the answer for this claim: with intelligent creation we must have intelligent creator.

dadmansabode said: indeed .... all life derives from a source of intelligence


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You must be a god to know this.
No, not really .... Science and God dictate this

Intelligent design is based not on a single feature like the bacterial flagellum,
but rather on a pervasive feature of all living systems. Alongside matter and energy,
Dr. Stephen Meyer shows that there is a third fundamental entity in the universe needed for life: information.
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Old 14th November 2017, 04:01 AM
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Dr Stephen Meyer is, not to put too fine a point on it, a blinkered idiot who sold his integrity in the name of a fantasy, and doesn't know the first thing about information.

Which particular bits of science dictate that all life derives from intelligence? Be specific, because you're talking to somebody who has a pretty good grasp of science across the board. Please be sure to provide sources from the primary scientific literature to support your claims, as I'll want to check them for myself.

When you're ready.
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Old 14th November 2017, 04:07 AM
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Thank you for your response hackenslash

the words you typed above, the letters you chose, the spaces and the punctuation you placed ..... did they

1. fall where they are via random undirected chance .... or
2. where they the result of intelligent design, displaying the intent of a conceptual point
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Those words are neither a universe nor a life form. Answer the question. Evasions pointing at irrelevancies only make you look like a complete cretin.
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Old 14th November 2017, 05:34 AM
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dadmansabode said: indeed .... all life derives from a source of intelligence

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Dr Stephen Meyer is, not to put too fine a point on it,
a blinkered idiot who sold his integrity in the name of a fantasy, and doesn't know the first thing about information....... etc
the words you typed above, the letters you chose, the spaces and the punctuation you placed ..... did they

1. fall where they are via random undirected chance .... or
2. where they the result of intelligent design, displaying the intent of a conceptual point


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Those words are neither a universe nor a life form
Sorry hackenslash ... wrong answer < better luck next time




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Old 14th November 2017, 06:12 AM
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Yeah, I can see how this is going to go.

dadmasabode thinks that they have the ultimate knock down oh wow this is amazing it's like, the ultimate proof of an intelligent designer. But they're so sure that it's the best thing since sliced bread that they're not prepared to consider that it may be, just a tiny bit, well, wrong.

This isn't going to end well.
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Sorry hackenslash ... wrong answer < better luck next time
Wrong answer why? Because they anticipated the next utterly fucking stupid digression you were going to take? You think this is my first rodeo?

Which bit of science confirms your hypothesis? Primary literature please.
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Wrong answer why?
Because they anticipated the next utterly fucking stupid digression you were going to take? You think this is my first rodeo? ..
Which bit of science confirms your hypothesis? Primary literature please.
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