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Old 15th December 2015, 07:46 PM
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Its fun to get pissed. Its fun to get high. Its fun to trip. Its all fun. We were doing it at the origin of the species, we'll always do it...because its fun.

When it becomes a problem then maybe Alice Miller can help.
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I'm a drunk.

Please consider me when legislating. I might not be the person you think.

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Old 16th December 2015, 08:12 AM
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Do any members have any thoughts on how society should manage people who are hopelessly addicted to heroin/ice etc, and have resorted to stealing to support their habit.
This is a 10 year plan I had. I think govt run shooting galleries should be set up that will sell a dose of whatever you like for the price of the needle.
My logic is:
  • Control the price: Big time drug smugglers and dealers just couldn't make a profit not to mention the risks involved. It would also reduce the police resources needed to investigate not only the drug trade but also drug related crime like burglaries and armed holdups
  • Control the hygiene: Clean needles reduce the number of people contracting blood born diseases like Hepatitis which will reduce the demands on our health system.
  • Control the dose: A reduced number of overdoses will relieve pressure on the ambulance and emergency departments.
  • Control the Frequency: This should reduce the number of new addictions.
There are of course a lot of caveats that go along with this plan but to also make the activity of obtaining and taking drugs about as exciting as standing in a dole queue and as fashionable as wearing flares.



The govt should be able to source most of the drugs quite cheaply from drug bust in other countries.
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Old 16th December 2015, 08:24 AM
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This is a 10 year plan I had. I think govt run shooting galleries should be set up that will sell a dose of whatever you like for the price of the needle.
My logic is:
  • Control the price: Big time drug smugglers and dealers just couldn't make a profit not to mention the risks involved. It would also reduce the police resources needed to investigate not only the drug trade but also drug related crime like burglaries and armed holdups
  • Control the hygiene: Clean needles reduce the number of people contracting blood born diseases like Hepatitis which will reduce the demands on our health system.
  • Control the dose: A reduced number of overdoses will relieve pressure on the ambulance and emergency departments.
  • Control the Frequency: This should reduce the number of new addictions.
There are of course a lot of caveats that go along with this plan but to also make the activity of obtaining and taking drugs about as exciting as standing in a dole queue and as fashionable as wearing flares.

The govt should be able to source most of the drugs quite cheaply from drug bust in other countries.
The other thing is to control the purity, though they won't be getting it from drug busts, but rather manufacturing it. A large portion of the health problems faced by users, particularly injecting ones, is the extra crap that is mixed into their drug of choice.

One of the problems is most countries can't distribute narcotic drugs to their population as it would impinge on the Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs of 1961 and would result in UN sanctions. It is why in Portugal they completely decriminalized them but don't distribute them to users, and hence still can't eliminate drug dealers or completely control supply/purity.
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Old 24th December 2015, 06:19 PM
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Maybe we need to start with the police lmao Just had to post

Illicit Drug Data Report 2012-13 - Australian Crime ...
https://www.crimecommission.gov.au/s...DDR-2012-13.pd...
In South Australia, 4.7 per cent of illicit drug seizures related to heroin and other ... Cannabis remains the most commonly reported illicit drug used by police .... prices. The purpose of this report is to provide statistics and analysis to assist ...
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I think that boredom is one of the primary causes behind all substance abuse. Given that economic activity is bad for the environment and largely unnecessary in our de-facto post scarcity economies in the advanced (sic) world I would suggest that intellectually satisfying and rewarding occupational therapy should be prioritised.
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I think that boredom is one of the primary causes behind all substance abuse. Given that economic activity is bad for the environment and largely unnecessary in our de-facto post scarcity economies in the advanced (sic) world I would suggest that intellectually satisfying and rewarding occupational therapy should be prioritised.
A quickie with Doctor Google reveals a few more possibilities.

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Some possible causes of substance abuse may include:
General low self-esteem
General financial stress
Relationship difficulty (see Disorganization)
Relationship break-up
Divorce
Teenage experimentation
Grief

Some psychological disorders that may cause substance abuse include:
Depressive disorders
Depression
Dysthymia
Schizophrenia - where drugs or alcohol are used as a coping mechanism.
I didn't disagree to be disagreeable, but in my case, it wasn't boredom, but one of the other causes above, so I thought a few more possibilities needed considering.
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Old 30th November 2017, 05:37 PM
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I appreciate your honesty in relation to your personal experiences. Im curious though, are you of the belief that addicts will always BE addicts in one way or another? Say for example, if every illegal substance was wiped off the planet (i know this is impossible but please entertain the example) that addicts would simply “use” something else like alcohol of prescription medication? so lets say we banned alcohol and wiped every “legal emotion-altering” substance off the planet, are you of the opinion that “addicts” would simply continue to find things to “abuse” or “misuse” or “become addicted to”?

I think you mentioned “extreme exercise” in one of your previous posts, so I’m curious as to how the mind of an addict works in terms of it being a never ending battle. If it is in fact a never-ending battle - I’m not sure. slightly off topic, But say for example if someone was completely addicted to “jogging” and he/she jogged continuously after work for hours upon hours, then could it be argued that this persons “jogging addiction” has no negative impact on tax payers, law abiding citizens or the safety of the general public? So if someone “chose” to try/use heroin or meth to the point of addiction and then began stealing from friends, family and members of the public, became dependant on government unemployment benefits and became violent towards innocent people, which would unfairly impact negatively upon his/her family, friends, tax payers and innocent members of the public, could it be argued that if this person was not addicted to heroin or ice, that he/she would simply just be addicted to “something else” like jogging, video games, sex, food, TV, sport or even charity work? Or do you think addiction is specific to “substances”?
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A jogging addiction has a health impact on the jogger, which can lead to hospitalisation and that costs the tax payer. Also food addictions and obesity are a huge burden on the health system.
Actually most addictions that require mental health treatment are a cost to the tax payer. I don't mind this though, more money into mental health please!
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A quickie with Doctor Google reveals a few more possibilities.


I didn't disagree to be disagreeable, but in my case, it wasn't boredom, but one of the other causes above, so I thought a few more possibilities needed considering.
In the case of schizophrenia, many patients try to self-medicate by smoking cigarettes. The thing is, it often works and takes the edge of the symptoms.
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