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Old 2nd December 2016, 03:19 PM
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Default Dealing appropriately with unscience

This shows how to go about refuting claims of famous and powerful people who go out of the way to pronounce on science with bullshit.

"History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government".
-Thomas Jefferson

Burden of proof is the obligation on somebody presenting a claim to provide evidence to support its truth (a warrant). Once evidence has been presented, it is up to any opposing "side" to show the evidence presented is not adequate. If claims were accepted without warrants, then every claim could simultaneously be claimed to be true.

History isn't written by the victors. It's written by the people with the time machines.
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Old 2nd December 2016, 04:45 PM
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Default Re: Dealing appropriately with unscience

Thanks Dan, really interesting read with all the scientists notes added.

I can't cut and paste from the document but i found interesting the part where Ridley started discussing the idea of enriching poorer countries, helping to develop their economies, education etc as a way to for them to protect themselves against the negative externalities of climate change, as opposed to wholesale reductions in C02 emissions.

Now, i think both would be good but the latter seems unlikely given the history of the 20th century and recent political trends around the globe. Nevertheless, this is at least a rational approach that the conservatives (not the nutty right bigots) might consider adopting. It at least doesnt deny the fact of climate change, just how best to deal with it and it could be squeezed into the conservative worldview of 'growth and development.' (...everyone push...)

Just to reiterate, i personally think its a naive response but it is better than outright denial and i suspect there are conservatives stuck between outright denial and emissions reductions and choose the former for no other reason than their fear of the latter. Perhaps this could be some kind of a path into the debate for them - and away from the Malcolm Roberts of the world.
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