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10th July 2012, 05:34 PM
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presuppositionalism is annoying
Presuppositionalism seems to be getting a run on various forums lately. I find it hard to believe that a christian apologist can feel that they can go into a debate claiming that the debate can only make sense if they win at the start.
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10th July 2012, 05:50 PM
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Re: presuppositionalism is annoying
Anybody know where the IRONY BOARD is? Apparently many Christian arguments like to assume that their god exists, then try and prove that a god exists, finish up thinking they've won, without realizing they forgot to prove that it is their god.
Last edited by Sir Patrick Crocodile; 10th July 2012 at 05:51 PM.
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10th July 2012, 05:56 PM
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Re: presuppositionalism is annoying
Ouch, learnt something today. Almost felt like I hadn't.
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10th July 2012, 10:58 PM
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Re: presuppositionalism is annoying
I don't have a problem with presuppositions, provided they are abandoned when reason or evidence proves them false. The classical Greek philosophers had to start somewhere....but a lot of stuff has happened in 2400 years, so it is not usually relevant to dial everything back to zero and reinvent the wheel over and over again. Anti-rationalists are obsessed by it, and Catholic philosophers simply worship Aquinas, More and that Hippo dude who was obsessed with farting being proof of post-fall humans-Augustine, I think!
 Well, I have no problem with the notion that clerics are bags of fart.
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