Go Back   AFA Forums > Secularism and Social Issues > Politics

Politics Political issues which help or hinder our society

Reply
 
Thread Tools
  #1  
Old 15th January 2017, 09:15 AM
wadaye wadaye is offline
AFA Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 4,547
Default Does Aung San Suu Kyi condone genocide?

And we see Aung San Suu Kyi has also adopted the fake news defence against evidence of mass murder and rape, looting and ethnic cleansing against Rohingyas.

Edit. 65000 people don't flee their country and homes to an uncertain fate on overcrowded boats to refugee camps in Bangladsh without strong push factors . That is why Aung San Suu Kyi's forces are using myrder and rape
__________________
"I'm an ape, I'm an African ape and I'm proud of it, and you should be too". Richard Dawkins

Last edited by wadaye; 15th January 2017 at 09:18 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 16th January 2017, 02:22 PM
DanDare's Avatar
DanDare DanDare is offline
Religion or Reality, choose...
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
Posts: 7,387
Default Re: President-Elect Donald Trump

Quote:
wadaye said View Post
And we see Aung San Suu Kyi has also adopted the fake news defence against evidence of mass murder and rape, looting and ethnic cleansing against Rohingyas.

Edit. 65000 people don't flee their country and homes to an uncertain fate on overcrowded boats to refugee camps in Bangladsh without strong push factors . That is why Aung San Suu Kyi's forces are using myrder and rape
Wadaye, dumping that claim here is a great way to create confusion and false news. This offhand comment should really be part of a dedicated thread with supporting contextual information.
For example this in the SMH on Dec 30
Quote:
More than a dozen Nobel peace prize winners have criticised their fellow laureate, Aung San Suu Kyi, for failing to protect Rohingyas in Myanmar's strife-torn Rakhine state.
The claim is that it is the work of government troops.
What are the possibilities?
It was not government troops but some other force. The government chose not to intervene or was unable to intervene.
It was government troops. The troops were acting independant of the government, as part of a government faction or as part of full government policy.
More information is required to start narrowing the possibilities.
__________________
"History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government".
-Thomas Jefferson

Burden of proof is the obligation on somebody presenting a claim to provide evidence to support its truth (a warrant). Once evidence has been presented, it is up to any opposing "side" to show the evidence presented is not adequate. If claims were accepted without warrants, then every claim could simultaneously be claimed to be true.

History isn't written by the victors. It's written by the people with the time machines.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 16th January 2017, 11:00 PM
wadaye wadaye is offline
AFA Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 4,547
Default Re: President-Elect Donald Trump

Quote:
DanDare said View Post
Quote:
wadaye said View Post
And we see Aung San Suu Kyi has also adopted the fake news defence against evidence of mass murder and rape, looting and ethnic cleansing against Rohingyas.

Edit. 65000 people don't flee their country and homes to an uncertain fate on overcrowded boats to refugee camps in Bangladsh without strong push factors . That is why Aung San Suu Kyi's forces are using myrder and rape
Wadaye, dumping that claim here is a great way to create confusion and false news. This offhand comment should really be part of a dedicated thread with supporting contextual information.
For example this in the SMH on Dec 30
Quote:
More than a dozen Nobel peace prize winners have criticised their fellow laureate, Aung San Suu Kyi, for failing to protect Rohingyas in Myanmar's strife-torn Rakhine state.
The claim is that it is the work of government troops.
What are the possibilities?
It was not government troops but some other force. The government chose not to intervene or was unable to intervene.
It was government troops. The troops were acting independant of the government, as part of a government faction or as part of full government policy.
More information is required to start narrowing the possibilities.
Look there are plenty of youtube videos you can watch online showing massacres of muslims in Burma in the presence of soldiers. This includes the cuttng of children with machetes and dousing them with disel and burning them alive.
__________________
"I'm an ape, I'm an African ape and I'm proud of it, and you should be too". Richard Dawkins
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 17th January 2017, 01:03 AM
DanDare's Avatar
DanDare DanDare is offline
Religion or Reality, choose...
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
Posts: 7,387
Default Re: President-Elect Donald Trump

Quote:
wadaye said View Post
Quote:
DanDare said View Post
Quote:
wadaye said View Post
And we see Aung San Suu Kyi has also adopted the fake news defence against evidence of mass murder and rape, looting and ethnic cleansing against Rohingyas.

Edit. 65000 people don't flee their country and homes to an uncertain fate on overcrowded boats to refugee camps in Bangladsh without strong push factors . That is why Aung San Suu Kyi's forces are using myrder and rape
Wadaye, dumping that claim here is a great way to create confusion and false news. This offhand comment should really be part of a dedicated thread with supporting contextual information.
For example this in the SMH on Dec 30
Quote:
More than a dozen Nobel peace prize winners have criticised their fellow laureate, Aung San Suu Kyi, for failing to protect Rohingyas in Myanmar's strife-torn Rakhine state.
The claim is that it is the work of government troops.
What are the possibilities?
It was not government troops but some other force. The government chose not to intervene or was unable to intervene.
It was government troops. The troops were acting independant of the government, as part of a government faction or as part of full government policy.
More information is required to start narrowing the possibilities.
there are plenty of youtube videos you can watch online showing massacres of muslims in Burma in the presence of soldiers. This includes the cuttng of children with machetes and dousing them with disel and burning them alive.
Then link to at least one. Don't just post without info. We are in dangerous times and its important we all walk this line when making claims now.

When you have given a link please also explain which of those above possibilities the video eliminates and which are not explicitly ruled out by the video.
__________________
"History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government".
-Thomas Jefferson

Burden of proof is the obligation on somebody presenting a claim to provide evidence to support its truth (a warrant). Once evidence has been presented, it is up to any opposing "side" to show the evidence presented is not adequate. If claims were accepted without warrants, then every claim could simultaneously be claimed to be true.

History isn't written by the victors. It's written by the people with the time machines.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 17th January 2017, 01:12 AM
Spearthrower Spearthrower is offline
AFA Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Posts: 4,119
Default Re: President-Elect Donald Trump

Quote:
That is why Aung San Suu Kyi's forces are using myrder and rape
You're going to need to draw a line between Aung San Suu Kyi and these atrocities, because as far as I am aware, she has extremely limited power in decision making processes. Surely, the ignominy should be laid at the feet of Htin Kyaw?
Reply With Quote
Like knowledge is power liked this post
  #6  
Old 17th January 2017, 09:31 AM
wadaye wadaye is offline
AFA Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 4,547
Default Re: President-Elect Donald Trump

Quote:
DanDare said View Post
Quote:
wadaye said View Post

there are plenty of youtube videos you can watch online showing massacres of muslims in Burma in the presence of soldiers. This includes the cuttng of children with machetes and dousing them with disel and burning them alive.
Then link to at least one. Don't just post without info. We are in dangerous times and its important we all walk this line when making claims now.

When you have given a link please also explain which of those above possibilities the video eliminates and which are not explicitly ruled out by the video.
Obviously the government is not allowing journalists or NGOs to report from there and reportedly Rohingya are not allowed to use phones in Eakhine at the moment so the videos are from a few years ago.

If you want a scientific analysis of the systematic and official nature of genocide have a look at this PHR report on the massacre of Burmese muslims including students in Meikhtila in March 2013 in Central Burma. Notably the victims of this massacre were not even Rohingya but were recognised as citizens.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/PHR_Reports...t-May-2013.pdf

One of the conclusions on this and the many other massacres documented by PHR and Fortify Rights is aystematic under-reporting of the murders.

Warning about extreme violence and the distressing nature of the footage in this link
https://youtu.be/6NjI7BobAB4

One may say that ASSK was not in charge then but she is now and not only is there no justice but she has condoned, justified, and enabled it to continue.
__________________
"I'm an ape, I'm an African ape and I'm proud of it, and you should be too". Richard Dawkins

Last edited by wadaye; 17th January 2017 at 09:33 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 17th January 2017, 09:46 AM
wadaye wadaye is offline
AFA Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 4,547
Default Re: President-Elect Donald Trump

A useful reference
http://www.hurstpublishers.com/book/the-rohingyas/
__________________
"I'm an ape, I'm an African ape and I'm proud of it, and you should be too". Richard Dawkins
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 17th January 2017, 12:37 PM
wadaye wadaye is offline
AFA Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 4,547
Default Re: President-Elect Donald Trump

Quote:
Spearthrower said View Post
Quote:
That is why Aung San Suu Kyi's forces are using myrder and rape
You're going to need to draw a line between Aung San Suu Kyi and these atrocities, because as far as I am aware, she has extremely limited power in decision making processes. Surely, the ignominy should be laid at the feet of Htin Kyaw?
I would have liked to be able to draw a line but sadly there is no place where a line can be drawn. It is up to her to draw the line and she refuses to do so.
__________________
"I'm an ape, I'm an African ape and I'm proud of it, and you should be too". Richard Dawkins
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 17th January 2017, 04:12 PM
Spearthrower Spearthrower is offline
AFA Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Posts: 4,119
Default Re: President-Elect Donald Trump

Quote:
wadaye said View Post
I would have liked to be able to draw a line but sadly there is no place where a line can be drawn. It is up to her to draw the line and she refuses to do so.

This is simply smear. If you want to declare that she's responsible, then the onus is on you to support that claim. Otherwise, it's quite possibly a figment of your imagination.
Reply With Quote
Like DanDare liked this post
  #10  
Old 17th January 2017, 05:27 PM
wadaye wadaye is offline
AFA Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 4,547
Default Re: President-Elect Donald Trump

Quote:
Spearthrower said View Post
Quote:
wadaye said View Post
I would have liked to be able to draw a line but sadly there is no place where a line can be drawn. It is up to her to draw the line and she refuses to do so.

This is simply smear. If you want to declare that she's responsible, then the onus is on you to support that claim. Otherwise, it's quite possibly a figment of your imagination.
She won't even admit they exist. People are enamored of her biut it is not justified. Her office said rumours of human rights abuses in Rakhibe are 'fake news'. That makes her complicit
__________________
"I'm an ape, I'm an African ape and I'm proud of it, and you should be too". Richard Dawkins
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT +11. The time now is 09:32 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Feedback Buttons provided by Advanced Post Thanks / Like (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2017 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.