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Old 10th February 2018, 01:53 PM
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Hi Guys, a few weeks ago I remember reading an extensive submission by the Australian Satanists but I have lost the link. Google is not being my friend on this. Anyone have the linky?
@Dan: Looked like mad, but not found.

Meanwhile, this submission by Dean Stretton is well worth a read.

Just a quick taste:

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25. As for commercial enterprises, including those in the wedding industry, religions do not require their proponents to go into business. If bakers, florists or civil marriage celebrants insist on a right to discriminate based on a protected attribute – race, sex, sexual orientation, or so on – then, like other members of the public, they are at liberty not to be in business at all. Civil celebrants are also performing a government
function (solemnisation of marriages) and should therefore follow the same antidiscrimination laws as governments generally.

26. A further point is that many religious organisations receive public funds. Governments are by far the biggest source of charitable revenue. Thus, “LGBTI taxpayers are being [unfairly] asked to fund religious organisations that can discriminate against them as employers.”
Excellent submission.

One thing I find annoying, and other submissions are guilty, is that all the examples of discrimination tend to be about faiths discriminating against gays. I would like to see more examples of faith on faith discrimination. Can catholics discriminate in the employment of jews or anglicans for example. And what about religions that discriminate against women, can they discriminate against employing female gardeners?
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Old 10th February 2018, 02:02 PM
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@DanDare: Gardening along religious lines can be very stressful.

Because of its Virgin-Mary-like connotations, a certain priest insisted (despite my protestations) on growing Mother-of-Millions, a declared pest plant, in a church garden until the (then) Dept of Primary Industries intervened.
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Old 10th February 2018, 03:35 PM
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While as non-faithful, we have concerns, please do make sure that LGBTI friends know about the opportunity to submit:

http://junkee.com/ruddock-review-biased/146027

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Eastwood is urging Australians — particularly if they have been divorced, are a single parent, live in a de facto relationship, or are a member of the queer community — to make a written submission to the inquiry before the February 14 deadline.

“I don’t see how me being a lesbian affects my ability to work as a professional in the field that I’m qualified in. The idea that I could not be employed, and my children could not be employed if they happen to be divorced or gay, I find quite frightening,” she said.

“This inquiry has really made me realise that the ability of the right to claw back whatever tiny forward steps people make is alive and well. It’s really important that people actually put in submissions to this inquiry that talk about their personal experiences.”
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Old 13th February 2018, 06:45 PM
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Inquiry on religious freedom.pdf

submitted. not my best work but was under time pressure.
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I think that is an excellent submission.
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a certain priest insisted (despite my protestations) on growing Mother-of-Millions, a declared pest plant, in a church garden until the (then) Dept of Primary Industries intervened.
A nightmare weed if ever there was one. Aptly named. As a bush regenerator I hate these suckers. They are also camouflage experts, blending in with their surroundings.
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Old 13th February 2018, 09:33 PM
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a certain priest insisted (despite my protestations) on growing Mother-of-Millions, a declared pest plant, in a church garden until the (then) Dept of Primary Industries intervened.
A nightmare weed if ever there was one. Aptly named. As a bush regenerator I hate these suckers. They are also camouflage experts, blending in with their surroundings.
Dear old geriatric Irish priest could not see the problem. I guess QLD law trumped canon law this once.

(Thinks: Perhaps I could start a cult of rakali worshippers.)
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"Please, give our brand of religious law a special place by legislating that it is above discrimination law".

Well, shit on a shingle and share the sharia!

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Religious organisations' exemptions from anti-discrimination laws would be permanently enshrined in federal law under an unprecedented proposal from several major Christian churches made to Philip Ruddock's review of religious freedom.

A Religious Freedom Act, similar to a charter of rights, would codify and expand the exemptions to anti-discrimination laws currently extended to churches when it comes to hiring and firing.

As well as furthering protections for people who don't want to associate with same-sex marriages, the act would limit and override the anti-discrimination laws of Australia's states and territories.
Section 116 of the Australian Constitution was unavailable for comment, but was heard being violently ill in the bathroom.
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Old 14th February 2018, 12:49 PM
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I'll let the smarter contributors pull that little lot apart.

Strikes me as a great thing (sarcasm) to do… teach children from a very early age to fear those around them that are 'different'. And that's just one point that jumped out to me.

I say this is a good opportunity (the review) to strip away all the privileges the church has, rather than to make more.
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I'll let the smarter contributors pull that little lot apart.

Strikes me as a great thing (sarcasm) to do… teach children from a very early age to fear those around them that are 'different'. And that's just one point that jumped out to me.

I say this is a good opportunity (the review) to strip away all the privileges the church has, rather than to make more.
I agree but you just know that this Government has neither the integrity or courage to do so.
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