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Old 17th January 2018, 11:34 AM
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If you are not going to make a submission to this yourself, "Just.equal" have a petition going that you can sign as a simple way to contribute.

www.equal.org.au/ruddock_inquiry
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Old 19th January 2018, 11:45 AM
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An interesting article here, I would suggest this is the end target of the current religious freedom mania in Australia as well;


https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...eid=7bd263b041


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The Obama administration in 2011 rewrote a series of Bush-era protections designed to protect the moral and religious beliefs of health care workers. Opponents of the Bush rules argue that they were too broad and could have allowed workers to opt out of end-of-life care, providing birth control and treatment for HIV and AIDS. For instance, some workers cited their moral objections when denying fertility treatment to lesbian couples or not providing ambulance transportation to a pregnant woman seeking an abortion.

As always the pro commenters argue that this is not what the rules are intended to do, but as always when you implement broad rules they will be used not for what they were intended but what they can, this cannot be avoided, any broad freedoms provide the ability to inflict harm on others.
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One might be discriminated against, refused service or medical assistance on the grounds that they are a known atheist reprobate, a pariah.

It's a Pandora's box, a license for mutual discrimination.

Individuals within this government are becoming emboldened by developments in America.
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In looking for the terms of reference I came across this previous review from 2016, which examined global affairs: https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary...edomofreligion

In the current terms of reference (https://www.pmc.gov.au/resource-cent...erms-reference) which is very brief it says:

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Scope

In undertaking this Review, the Panel should:
  • Consider the intersections between the enjoyment of the freedom of religion and other human rights.
  • Have regard to any previous or ongoing reviews or inquiries that it considers relevant.
  • Consult as widely as it considers necessary.
So this very loose scope statement allows them to incorporate previous reviews without the controls that were placed on those reviews.
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Oh wow! That is a "licence" to consult no one at all!
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Hi Guys, a few weeks ago I remember reading an extensive submission by the Australian Satanists but I have lost the link. Google is not being my friend on this. Anyone have the linky?
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Hi Guys, a few weeks ago I remember reading an extensive submission by the Australian Satanists but I have lost the link. Google is not being my friend on this. Anyone have the linky?
@Dan: Looked like mad, but not found.

Meanwhile, this submission by Dean Stretton is well worth a read.

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25. As for commercial enterprises, including those in the wedding industry, religions do not require their proponents to go into business. If bakers, florists or civil marriage celebrants insist on a right to discriminate based on a protected attribute – race, sex, sexual orientation, or so on – then, like other members of the public, they are at liberty not to be in business at all. Civil celebrants are also performing a government
function (solemnisation of marriages) and should therefore follow the same antidiscrimination laws as governments generally.

26. A further point is that many religious organisations receive public funds. Governments are by far the biggest source of charitable revenue. Thus, “LGBTI taxpayers are being [unfairly] asked to fund religious organisations that can discriminate against them as employers.”
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Is this it?
http://ironfistvelvetglove.com.au/20...ruddock-panel/

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More submissions, or articles about them:
Susan Ryan, ex-Federal Minister & Discrimination Commissioner

Neil Foster: Law And Religion Australia
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GUARDIAN: Philip Ruddock's religious freedom review holding secret hearings
LGBTI activists sound the alarm after appearing at unadvertised, unrecorded ‘informal dialogues’

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The religious freedom review headed by Philip Ruddock has started secret hearings with evidence taken in private sessions, despite a commitment in January to be “as open as possible in its approach to submissions”.

Ruddock has brushed off concerns that the process of private hearings reduces transparency, telling Guardian Australia “it’s not a trial” and the panel was more likely to be persuaded by written submissions anyway.

Guardian Australia has obtained an email account of the first hearing on Monday, which was not advertised, attended by Australian Capital Territory’s LGBTIQ ministerial advisory council chair Anne-Marie Delahunt and member Suzanne Eastwood.

Eastwood wrote to her fellow members of the council that she and Delahunt were “alarmed to say the least about the type of questioning and the complete lack of a ‘friend’ on the panel”.

“The negative effects this review could have on our community are quite alarming,” she said. “It felt like progress could be set back years and years. We were asked not to discuss the discussion we had at the review.”

In January the religious freedom review panel clarified its approach to written submissions by promising to make them public in response to media reports that it intended to keep them secret.

Labor’s equality spokeswoman, Terri Butler, said the private hearings on top of the original secrecy around the submissions “will undermine confidence in the process”.

Butler said the review was being conducted in “a very significant area of public policy, in a highly contested set of circumstances” so the panel should want a transparent process to prevent its conclusions being impugned.
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