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Old 19th August 2017, 09:27 PM
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Can anyone tell me why this is an issue now, as opposed to 12 months ago, or 12 years ago? How did this start? And why?
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The current wave seems to have started with a number of people, like a Twitter guy who calls himself Tony Magrathea got all "birther" on Tony Abbott in 2014. LINKY

The exposure of Scott Ludlam was, according to a source I read, the result of a WA barrister's research.
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Old 19th August 2017, 09:55 PM
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Can anyone tell me why this is an issue now, as opposed to 12 months ago, or 12 years ago? How did this start? And why?

To be honest it wouldn't really bother me if they changed the law to allow dual citizens to stand, however they do need to change the law, we can't have politicians claiming they aren't beholden to following Australian law whether they knew of that breach or not.


As long as they swear to uphold Australia's law and Australia's interests it's not a problem, but you see there's the problem isn't it, they are currently not upholding Australia's laws, some of them are claiming the laws, the same ones we have to follow, somehow don't apply to them.


As to why it's happening now as opposed to 20, 30, 40 or 50 years or more ago? I suspect it's an effect of the ultra-nationalism promoted by Trump et-al. Whether any of our past politicians were dual citizens I don't think it germane to todays situation, they may have been, it's pretty much irrelevant I think.
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Old 19th August 2017, 11:19 PM
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As to why it's happening now as opposed to 20, 30, 40 or 50 years or more ago? I suspect it's an effect of the ultra-nationalism promoted by Trump et-al. Whether any of our past politicians were dual citizens I don't think it germane to todays situation, they may have been, it's pretty much irrelevant I think.
I'm not sure about that Steve. The fact we are are concerned about it now says something important about the current political condition, something kind of obnoxious about the now actually. A retrospective review may cast light on the present.
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I think the notion of not being a dual citizen to be a member of parliament here is the right choice, but I think perhaps that s.44 in relation to the wording or intention of being a sole citizen of Aus, needs to be looked at.
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but you see there's the problem isn't it, they are currently not upholding Australia's laws, some of them are claiming the laws, the same ones we have to follow, somehow don't apply to them.


As to why it's happening now as opposed to 20, 30, 40 or 50 years or more ago? I suspect it's an effect of the ultra-nationalism promoted by Trump et-al. ....
They always have done this. Consider Arthur Phillip asking the marines to bring him back ten aboriginal heads, or how about Menzies praise for Hitler and later, bombing Australia and the local Aboriginal tribes, as well as servicemen and women. Then there's the theft of natural resources ...
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Old 20th August 2017, 09:27 AM
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Changing the constitution would be problematic and in reality it is not really broken in this regard. It just requires any potential politician to thoroughly check their status which is not too much to ask in my opinion.
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Changing the constitution would be problematic and in reality it is not really broken in this regard. It just requires any potential politician to thoroughly check their status which is not too much to ask in my opinion.
My only issue is what happens if a foreign power then declares people as citizens of their country without their consent? granted, it is a massive fucking what if, but perhaps I am incorrect, but seems to be within the realm of possibility. Doesn't this allow an outside power to fuck with our political system?

I am not saying those that are currently caught up in this should be let off at all, what I am trying to ascertain is if the current wording leaves the Australian system of governance open to outside meddling.
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Old 20th August 2017, 09:52 AM
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My only issue is what happens if a foreign power then declares people as citizens of their country without their consent? granted, it is a massive fucking what if, but perhaps I am incorrect, but seems to be within the realm of possibility. Doesn't this allow an outside power to fuck with our political system?

I am not saying those that are currently caught up in this should be let off at all, what I am trying to ascertain is if the current wording leaves the Australian system of governance open to outside meddling.

That's a difficult argument to support. All of our current issues are due to ancestral ties, they were already citizens whether they were aware of it or not. I am not sure a person can be declared a citizen of another country without agreeing to or signing up to that. it should be pretty easy to demonstrate mischief and declare the citizenship invalid. If this was the case for our current crop I would be happy for them to stay in while the High Court looked at it, but it's certainly not, they were already dual citizens.
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This should not be a problem if potential candidates receive in writing confirmation from any country that they or their parents have had links to that they are not citizens of that country.
If say North Korea decides to make all or any our politicians citizens when there is no family connection then it is obviously not relevant.
One area that could be looked at is when a candidate's heritage is unknown due to adoption or a product of anonymous IVF donation.
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