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#51
9th October 2017, 07:27 PM
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Re: Las Vegas Mass Shooting

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 142857 said Is Kim Jong Un a madman?
I would say yes. The question is, define madman.

Is he a madman for wanting a nuclear deterrent against the US? Probably not, madmen can and do appear and/or behave in a perfectly rational manner in many ways, but in others be as loopy as a cut snake.....
or would that be an uncut snake?

He has demonstrated many traits of a paranoid personality, execution by anti-aircraft gun? I just don't think he is a suicidal madman.
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#52
9th October 2017, 07:50 PM
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Re: Las Vegas Mass Shooting

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 142857 said Is Kim Jong Un a madman?...
He, like the rest of us, is a product of his biology and environment. The way he behaves makes perfect sense to him.
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#53
9th October 2017, 08:55 PM
 The Irreverent Mr Black Dog v2.0 is my co-pilot Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Toontown Posts: 3,331
Re: Las Vegas Mass Shooting

The sociological explanation for why men in America turn to gun violence

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 The more guns there are in a given country, the more mass shootings it has. But there are two other things worth noticing. For instance, just consider the number of nations in this sample that have approximately 30 guns per 100 people: Austria (30.4), Canada (30.8), France (31.2), Germany (30.3), Iceland (30.3), Norway (31.3), and Sweden (31.6). They don’t all have the same rate of mass shootings over the period of 30 years. Iceland had zero; Norway had one; and Sweden had two. But France had six, and Germany had seven. These are small numbers, but even here, the range is large enough to suggest that the number of guns is not the only factor influencing mass shootings. It’s also worth highlighting just how much of an outlier the US is when put in international perspective. Sure, we have roughly twice as many guns as the other societies with high numbers of guns owned per inhabitant. But the number of mass shootings the US has experienced makes us an extreme outlier in these data. The masculinity problem Scholars who study masculinity and mass shootings have consistently drawn attention to the fact that mass shootings are not only a uniquely American social problem; they are a problem with American men. We’ve argued before that there are two questions that require explanation related to gender and mass shootings. First, why is it that men commit virtually all mass shootings? And second, why do American men commit mass shootings more than men anywhere else in the world?
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#54
9th October 2017, 09:37 PM
 wolty See you at the snow.... Super Moderator Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Brisbane Posts: 24,069
Re: Las Vegas Mass Shooting

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The Irreverent Mr Black said

The sociological explanation for why men in America turn to gun violence

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 The more guns there are in a given country, the more mass shootings it has. But there are two other things worth noticing. For instance, just consider the number of nations in this sample that have approximately 30 guns per 100 people: Austria (30.4), Canada (30.8), France (31.2), Germany (30.3), Iceland (30.3), Norway (31.3), and Sweden (31.6). They don’t all have the same rate of mass shootings over the period of 30 years. Iceland had zero; Norway had one; and Sweden had two. But France had six, and Germany had seven. These are small numbers, but even here, the range is large enough to suggest that the number of guns is not the only factor influencing mass shootings. It’s also worth highlighting just how much of an outlier the US is when put in international perspective. Sure, we have roughly twice as many guns as the other societies with high numbers of guns owned per inhabitant. But the number of mass shootings the US has experienced makes us an extreme outlier in these data. The masculinity problem Scholars who study masculinity and mass shootings have consistently drawn attention to the fact that mass shootings are not only a uniquely American social problem; they are a problem with American men. We’ve argued before that there are two questions that require explanation related to gender and mass shootings. First, why is it that men commit virtually all mass shootings? And second, why do American men commit mass shootings more than men anywhere else in the world?
Cheers mate. Really interesting.
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#55
9th October 2017, 10:07 PM
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Re: Las Vegas Mass Shooting

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 pipbarber said For now, it’s ridiculous to liken Trump to Hitler. Trump has not directly killed anyone, he is constrained by the various estates of power and faces re-election in 3 years. ‘The final solution,’ of Nazi germany shouldn’t be likened to Trump’s statement regarding NK, in my view. They’re worlds apart. Of course this could change contingent to developments.
Historically, he's more like Mussolini.
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#56
10th October 2017, 07:42 PM
 Darwinsbulldog AFA Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Perth Posts: 18,202
Re: Las Vegas Mass Shooting

Kim Jong Un is a madman in my book, but I totally agree with him in his assessment of Trump, and Bush for that matter.

But back to the US gunz thing. If one must have gun rights, one must also have obligations attached to those rights, something the NRA has refused to acknowledge.

The principle of an armed population is not necessarily a bad thing, BUT, and it is a big BUT, the whole point of the right to bear arms was to put reasonable fear into a government not to become authoritarian over it's people. But the "cure" has become [and in fact always was] worse than the "disease" [the fear of people being oppressed by government].

That fear is not necessarily unreasonable in terms of world history. But in effect, the USA has been at war with itself since it began, and as Hack's posts point out, the casualties of this "civil war" have been higher than official wars.

But it is even worse, because most of these gun crimes [if we agree that the USA has always been at war with itself] amount to war crimes because most users of guns do not have the training or restraint of a well disciplined army or police.

So the gun nutz [which seem more self-serving than honest] have created a situation that they were "trying" [allegedly] to avoid. Instead of a tyranny of government, they have the tyranny of armed anarchy.

And worse, most of the gun crime seems to be race-related [discounting suicides of course , although even there some deaths may be due to being subject to racial hatred for a lifetime].

But as well as the tyranny gunz, there is the tyranny of religion, which motivates and habituates people to think in terms of blind faith rather than evidence and reason.

Racists and sexists are unlikely to accept the finding of evolution-that all humans are varied but equal. That goes against the self-serving religious pap known as the Great Chain Of Being, which put white male "rednecks" at the top of the heap. And there they want to stay, even after slavery is abolished, and segregation, and all the rest of it.
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#57
11th October 2017, 02:46 PM
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Re: Las Vegas Mass Shooting

Meanwhile: In Newcastle, one person owns 310 guns in the central suburb of Cardiff. - ABC report. Disturbing.
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#58
11th October 2017, 03:08 PM
 LadyGreen Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Posts: 96
Re: Las Vegas Mass Shooting

I kinds get collecting things but uh could they be less um shooty?

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#59
11th October 2017, 04:50 PM
 pipbarber AFA Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Melbourne Posts: 2,645
Re: Las Vegas Mass Shooting

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 LadyGreen said I kinds get collecting things but uh could they be less um shooty? Sent from my SM-A520F using Tapatalk
Collectors and traders were excluded from the list so the folks with 100s of guns either need to get a collectors license or explain why they have 100s of guns, i’d have thought. How hard can it be restrict gun ownership to, say, 3 per person maximum?
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#60
11th October 2017, 05:06 PM
Re: Las Vegas Mass Shooting

One way that may appeal to the guvnmnt would be to have to pay an incremental registration fee for guns, maybe double each time?
1 gun $100, 2 guns$200, 3 guns \$400 etc.
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