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Old 6th July 2017, 01:42 AM
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FFRF have started their own video series

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Old 14th July 2017, 01:05 AM
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I hadn't seen this before. Wow. Dan Dennet is great.

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Dennett's latest offering From Bacteria to Bach and Back: the Evolution of Minds will be out in paperback soon. About cultural evolution and memes. Recommended.
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I hadn't seen this before. Wow. Dan Dennet is great.

In his talk Dennett is quite confident no one actually believes in God. He says they believe it is imperative that professing to believe must be perpetuated otherwise a tsunami of evil and anarchy will prevail, all based in fear and irrationality of course. They believe in adherence and conformity to the old religion, considering non belief subversion and betrayal.

I think America actually needs to be concerned about all those hundreds of millions of guns along with such belief: 88.8 guns for every 100 people (including minors). The spectre of civil war, total anarchy. Just like the justification for maintaining nukes.

Dennett is a great thinker, a national treasure as Dawkins affirms in his introduction.

I had just bought Dawkins's latest, Science in the Soul: Selected Writings of a Passionate Rationalist. 'A thunderously gifted science writer.' Sunday Times.
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Just a correction he does not claim " no one actually believes in God" he says that there are a proportion of believers who believe it is important for society that people believe even if they don't really believe.
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FFRF have started their own video series

Good on them, I guess?

I have to admit, I made it two minutes in, and was bored to fuck. I've heard all three in other contexts being interesting speakers, but the production values on this was "piece of shit" level.

And "Ask an Atheist"? Is there a conflict with Sam Mulvey that I'm unaware of? Or is there going to be? Because either Sam owns "Ask an Atheist" or he doesn't, but ten years of the show would weigh against a counter-claim, I'd have thought.

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Just a correction he does not claim " no one actually believes in God" he says that there are a proportion of believers who believe it is important for society that people believe even if they don't really believe.
Thank you Bruce.

Yes, Dennett allows that some may very well believe to some degree, and fear hell, divine punishment which means they think they have an eternal soul whose destiny is tied to their conduct as assessed by the religion's teachings and God will judge them accordingly. These people are the unreflective.

He says genuine belief in our contemporary times after 1,000 years of skepticism eroding away at the faith is impossible to quantify.

At least they all believe in believing for the several reasons he discusses. Or as in the Concorde Fallacy, they are now over-committed, have too much invested to now courageously declare actual unbelief, as described in the John Updike novel, In the Beauty of the Lilies, 1996.
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