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Old 11th October 2017, 09:25 AM
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Greece’s leftwing government has passed legislation enabling citizens to determine their gender identity amid fierce condemnation from the Orthodox church and accusations the law would “destroy human beings”.

After two days of highly charged debate, the prime minister, Alexis Tsipras, rallied parliament to endorse policies that would permit people to legally change their gender on all official documents without undergoing sterilisation.

The law, which was passed with 171 votes in favour and 114 against, had exposed political divisions and entrenched beliefs in one of Europe’s most socially conservative societies. It will allow trans individuals to affirm their desired gender from the age of 15 and brings Greece in line with most EU member states.

“No tradition, no religion, no perception of family requires citizens to remain on the margins or be pushed into institutional and social oblivion,” Tsipras told MPs before the vote.
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Oh shit i didnt see that coming. I thought greece was halfway to nazi town at this point.

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Greece has had severe economic problems for some time, brought on mainly by massive over-spending.

As usual, massive corporations minimise their tax obligations to the point where ordinary folks have to shoulder the burden [although the govt's welfare spending has been excessive at times], and too be fair, the unions have not helped the situation, blocking productivity initiatives.

Now the country has to pay for it all with austere financial measures that are really hurting the people. No one really knows what to do, and the problem is not uncommon around the world.

Basically globalised corporatism has trumped the power of governments. That and automation is not only pushing down the price of labour, but removing job opportunities around the globe in a net sense. [More jobs being lost than created].

Greece has got there first, but really the plaque will be world-wide. The end of democracy really, and the end of government. Though the gender-change law is indeed a positive change, it is a drop in the bucket as far as freedom and democracy goes. I don't see any way to reverse the trends.

There is no way to dismantle capitalism without widespread and total war, and even then it will probably not work.
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