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13th March 2018, 09:15 AM
 Blue Lightning "Mr Charles Darwin had the gall to ask" Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Sydney Posts: 6,251
Re: Why Christopher Hitchens believed in The Historical Jesus

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 NazarethMyth said ... BL, do please take off your 'Boss' hat... I think this is the first time anyone's ever attempted to coerce me to speak against my will. Even in an American court of law that's not permitted. I haven't been on this forum long (and may not much longer), but how many times has Toejam not answered Kapyong's direct question re: the Middle Roman water channels at Mary's Well? I think it's about five. --RS
@NazarethMyth- when presented with -

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 vridar said ... Did not Rene give the specific page reference to a book that is available for free online at the moment? Was it obligatory go beyond and quote the paragraphs and scholarly sources that are freely pointed to? ...
my instinctive reaction was to accept his information at face value, and I said, in the next post (emphasis added):

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 Blue Lightning said I didn't catch the code "NG 305" reference. My error. My apologies.
No doubt Vridar will be along soon to confirm the correctness or otherwise of the second part of information he profferred.
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13th March 2018, 09:32 AM
 Kapyong Member Join Date: Feb 2018 Posts: 46
Re: Why Christopher Hitchens believed in The Historical Jesus

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 Blue Lightning said I ask out of ignorance: is it truly free, available other than through the ~$10/month Kindle app? As I've posted before - There is currently a special offer for Kindle Unlimited on Amazon Australia - you do have to sign up with a card, but you don't get charged until 30 days later, so you can cancel before then and pay nothing. NazarethGate is available FREE for$0.00 under that special, so you can indeed read it FREE for 30 days.

There is no excuse not to read it, if you are interested in checking the evidence.

Kapyong
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13th March 2018, 09:55 AM
 SEG Suspended Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Hills District of Sydney Posts: 896
Re: Why Christopher Hitchens believed in The Historical Jesus

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 wearestardust said Still not reading what I say. Which, overall, is my key point: not the snark, the turning-on of tape recorders in lieu of paying attention to what others are saying. But anyway: I see snark, the mods see snark, other participants see snark, one participant IIRC said they were leaving the discussion because of the snark. The post immediately prior to yours that I've quoted kicks off with a bucket-o-snark.
There's a big difference between a bit of light-hearted humour and snark.

The majority of your own comments in this thread seem to be full of what you are complaining of. For example, "Why Nazareth rather than, say, what is wearestardust's hat size?" and in this very post, "the turning-on of tape recorders in lieu of paying attention to what others are saying."

Would you call those comments snark?

I can't see much humour, only unhelpful vitriol.

The vast majority of content in this thread has been conducted civilly IMO, and I don't think that I am alone in saying that. If you or others are bored with it, then kindly refrain from the negative remarks if they aren't justified. Or visit other threads that you find more interesting.
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#514
13th March 2018, 10:13 AM
 Kapyong Member Join Date: Feb 2018 Posts: 46
Re: Why Christopher Hitchens believed in The Historical Jesus

Gday all

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 SEG said The majority of your own comments in this thread seem to be full of what you are complaining of. For example, "Why Nazareth rather than, say, what is wearestardust's hat size?" and in this very post, "the turning-on of tape recorders in lieu of paying attention to what others are saying."
Indeed.
wearestardust brought snark, then tried to excuse it by blaming others for snark. Poor form.

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13th March 2018, 11:21 AM
 wadaye AFA Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,755
Re: Why Christopher Hitchens believed in The Historical Jesus

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Kapyong said
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 Blue Lightning said I ask out of ignorance: is it truly free, available other than through the ~$10/month Kindle app? As I've posted before - There is currently a special offer for Kindle Unlimited on Amazon Australia - you do have to sign up with a card, but you don't get charged until 30 days later, so you can cancel before then and pay nothing. NazarethGate is available FREE for$0.00 under that special, so you can indeed read it FREE for 30 days.

There is no excuse not to read it, if you are interested in checking the evidence.

Kapyong
FFS. If somebody claims to publish a book for free they can certainly post a page for free here. They wouldn't even breach their own copyright. No we are not going to hand over credit card details so that we can decipher what somebody has written elsewhere.
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13th March 2018, 11:22 AM
 wadaye AFA Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,755
Re: Why Christopher Hitchens believed in The Historical Jesus

Seriously Kapyong and SEG, there are more important matters to stake your intellectual reputation, not to mention your time, and it seems life commitment to, than establishing whether Nazareth existed as an historical town at the time of JC.
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13th March 2018, 11:37 AM
 SEG Suspended Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Hills District of Sydney Posts: 896
Re: Why Christopher Hitchens believed in The Historical Jesus

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 wadaye said FFS. If somebody claims to publish a book for free they can certainly post a page for free here. They wouldn't even breach their own copyright. No we are not going to hand over credit card details so that we can decipher what somebody has written elsewhere.
Wadaye you are confused on this. It looks like you haven't been following what is going on and commenting anyway. No-one claimed to publish a book for free.

No-one is worried about breaching their own copyright. No-one is demanding that you hand over credit card details so that you can decipher what somebody has written elsewhere.
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13th March 2018, 12:06 PM
 SEG Suspended Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Hills District of Sydney Posts: 896
Re: Why Christopher Hitchens believed in The Historical Jesus

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 wadaye said Seriously Kapyong and SEG, there are more important matters to stake your intellectual reputation, not to mention your time, and it seems life commitment to, than establishing whether Nazareth existed as an historical town at the time of JC.
I agree, but who said we were? I am not interested in some of your threads either, but I don't question why you are discussing them. I just ignore them.
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13th March 2018, 12:41 PM
 vridar Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: Australia Posts: 124
Re: Why Christopher Hitchens believed in The Historical Jesus

Beware published finds by reputable archaeologists:

Archaeology is More Untrustworthy By the Day

Famed Archaeologist 'Discovered' His Own Fakes at 9,000-Year-Old Settlement

I'm sure they are not all dishonest. But anyone who has worked for many years in academic institutions with particular focus on research publications will be well aware of the history of academic fraud and the constant need for vigilance by the gatekeepers. The point is that naive trust of reports is excusable only for readers with a casual interest. Serious researchers need to check every time how each sausage has been made.

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13th March 2018, 01:28 PM
 wearestardust What me socialist? Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: not telling Posts: 8,582
Re: Why Christopher Hitchens believed in The Historical Jesus

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 SEG said There's a big difference between a bit of light-hearted humour and snark.
I disagree, the mods disagree, the people in the conversation disagree. I am not sure there is much more to say on that.

The majority of your own comments in this thread seem to be full of what you are complaining of. For example, "Why Nazareth rather than, say, what is wearestardust's hat size?" and in this very post, "the turning-on of tape recorders in lieu of paying attention to what others are saying."

Would you call those comments snark?

I can't see much humour, only unhelpful vitriol. [/quote]

That wasn't snark. Snark is indirect, passive-aggressive or personal. That was intended to be a direct, blunt comment. But I see it was not blunt enough. Let me be blunter.

Mostly, this has not been a reasoned discussion: it's been a shit-slinging match. As a member of this forum where - it has sometimes been said - bad ideas go to die. I am vicariously embarrassed by these discussions.

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 I can't see much humour, only unhelpful vitriol.
I have not been attempting humour. Where have I been "vitriolic"?

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 The vast majority of content in this thread has been conducted civilly IMO, and I don't think that I am alone in saying that.
Actually, you may well be.

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 If you or others are bored with it, ...
Where have I said I am bored with it? For the second time, what do you think my issue is with these discussions?
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