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Old 13th August 2017, 01:53 PM
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Re the Pleb-shite.

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There are several memes doing the rounds at the moment which suggest filling the envelope of one's marriage equality postal thingie (it's non binding so I won't call it a vote) with glitter.

Deeply pleasing as the idea is, please don't. Incoming mail will be screened and anything registering as containing unidentified material will likely be incinerated.
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Old 13th August 2017, 04:04 PM
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I believe historically and legally, and culturally and religiously, that marriage is between a man and a woman.
Your 'beliefs' can be contradicted by facts, Mr Neumann.

Historically, there have been same sex marriages all over the world.
Legally, the current definition of marriage was only inserted in 2004 and just as easily be changed.
Culturally, other western nations are way ahead of us and we have string polling in favour of change here.
Religiously is irrelevant as marriage has not required a religious test since 1967.

Please stop allowing your personal, non-factual beliefs to colour your parliamentary decision making.
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Important observations from Michael Pascoe in Fairfax:

Tony Abbott's 'No' vote can win the same-sex marriage debate

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If there ever was an excellent case made for compulsory voting, it's the election of Donald Trump. Boris Johnson's Brexit vote is another example, whereby it was possible to thwart the will of the majority.

The optional nature of the Liberal Party's Mickey Mouse postal survey, let alone the gaps in registration, is why Tony Abbott's 'No' vote can win ...
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Important observations from Michael Pascoe in Fairfax:

Tony Abbott's 'No' vote can win the same-sex marriage debate

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If there ever was an excellent case made for compulsory voting, it's the election of Donald Trump. Boris Johnson's Brexit vote is another example, whereby it was possible to thwart the will of the majority.

The optional nature of the Liberal Party's Mickey Mouse postal survey, let alone the gaps in registration, is why Tony Abbott's 'No' vote can win ...
More at link.
And now lets add the fact that the vote paper will have a personally identifying bar code on it. Now the ABS I'm sure will keep the personal details and the vote separate. But this will put deep fear into many yes voters and they may refrain from voting because of it. It probably holds no such fear for no voters.
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Anybody else noticed the ABC has zero news items about the plebecite now? The no case is powering up all over The Australian etc. The ABC is a blank.
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Anybody else noticed the ABC has zero news items about the plebecite now? The no case is powering up all over The Australian etc. The ABC is a blank.
I'm not an ALP party member, or even much of an admirer ("not-the-Libs" isn't sufficient persuasion for me): still, I have noticed the ABC having "better things to do" when a Labor announcement, presser, etc is happening, or suddenly dropping the feed with a frequency that makes tech failure unlikely.
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The murdoch news.com.au site has been pretty good on the issue, in my opinion. The ABC is in a hopeless place given the current government but generally the mainstream press has favoured the yes view, from what i've seen recently. Of course it goes without saying, i could be wrong, or just blind to 'no' based articles. Still, i don't believe the alt-right xtian conservatives have a disproportionally loud voice, but i don't think that with any degree of certainty.

I have no idea what is happening on free to air tv. Can anyone summarise a trend from that media?
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For anyone with a strong stomach for logical falacy bingo, with added industrial-grade special pleading, topped off with lashings of hypocrisy:

Tony Abbott on why same sex marriage would fundamentally change society

For some reason, I'm reminded of Abe:

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As a nation, we began by declaring that 'all men are created equal.' We now practically read it 'all men are created equal, except negroes.' When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy
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I have no idea what is happening on free to air tv. Can anyone summarise a trend from that media?
I have not been explicitly following but my assessment is as follows

1. it being a touchy subject, coverage tends to try and provide a 'balanced' view. e.g. https://www.facebook.com/GetUpAustra...4685191091455/. exceptions to this are talk shows where presenters speak their own mind rather than report on news.
2. the ABC is trying to stay out of the firing line. we all know how they would like to cover it, but if they did that they'd be in all kinds of trouble
3. the Murdoch press is not particularly pushing a 'no' line. I suspect they are really much more interested in the left vs. right politics and economics and not driven by any specific religious agenda
4. the ACL and others are pushing the only line open to them: safe schools, loss of choice, loss of freedom
5. there have been reports/surveys of a dip in YES and a rise in NO votes though not enough to claim majority
6. judging by what I see on FB (which is by no means a reflection of anything) the NO seems to be old and christian. I suspect there are many more who when pushed for an answer will say NO but I am hopeful these won't bother to vote.

but what do I know?
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Old 14th September 2017, 11:19 AM
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It may be good if 'no' starts improving in the polls, just to offset complacency.

In any case, which ever side loses will have probable cause for complaint based on the Jurassic postal system being used. Quite frankly I find the whole thing, advertising and all, utterly repellant, repugnant and nauseating.
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