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Old 21st January 2018, 09:24 PM
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It's a name+title thing, like "Sindbad the Sailor" or "Frederic the Great" - "Jesus the Anointed".

Differentiates from all the other Yeshuas.
True, but Jesus (Saviour) The Anointed sounds a wee bit contrived to me. If it sounds like bullshit...
You won't find it in contemporary records, only later, believer-written stuff.

Been Yeshua/Joshua guys around since the son of Nun, back in immediately post-Mosaic stories.

It seems so small to get contentious over.
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Old 21st January 2018, 09:39 PM
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Oh, we're doing that are we?

I have no time for that sort of disingenuous fuckery. You know full well that the religions in question are considered to be founded by Yeshua, Mohammed, and Smith, and at least the first two revere those founders as central messianic figures and godlike.

Fuck me gently with a chainsaw, we'll be opening a fucking theology school next.
Chainsaws aren't necessary to fuck you, who started all three if it wasn't the claimed angels?

1. Gabriel the alleged messenger from God started it all when he/she announced to Mary the magical birth of Jesus

2. The same messenger AKA "Jibrail" supposedly appeared to Mohammed in a cave and demanded that he become the scribe, even though he was supposed to be illiterate

3. The angel Moroni initially (allegedly) appeared in front of Joseph Smith and also demanded that he become the scribe.

I submit that all three religions started off with fictional characters. Am I right?
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Real people invent fictional characters.

While in some cases it is uncertain who created the fake beings, the prime cause is clearly people.
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You won't find it in contemporary records, only later, believer-written stuff.

Been Yeshua/Joshua guys around since the son of Nun, back in immediately post-Mosaic stories.

It seems so small to get contentious over.
Yes, I agree with you if it were only the issue of the name, that alone doesn't carry much weight. It's all the other factors combined that are more convincing as outlined in Carrier's books. Have you read them all?
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You won't find it in contemporary records, only later, believer-written stuff.

Been Yeshua/Joshua guys around since the son of Nun, back in immediately post-Mosaic stories.

It seems so small to get contentious over.
Yes, I agree with you if it were only the issue of the name, that alone doesn't carry much weight. It's all the other factors combined that are more convincing as outlined in Carrier's books. Have you read them all?
No, and I won't be doing so. I got out of the Jeebus business a while back.
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Real people invent fictional characters.

While in some cases it is uncertain who created the fake beings, the prime cause is clearly people.
Correct!
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No, and I won't be doing so. I got out of the Jeebus business a while back.
I never got tainted with that sort of stuff, so I have a different outlook from you. If you haven't guessed yet, I am highly skeptical. My copper background probably helped/scarred
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No, and I won't be doing so. I got out of the Jeebus business a while back.
I never got tainted with that sort of stuff, so I have a different outlook from you. If you haven't guessed yet, I am highly skeptical. My copper background probably helped/scarred
I'd temper my skepticism so I wasn't skewed in the negative or the positive direction, if I was doing it.

There's knowing current info about something is insufficient: that is, in itself, a form of wisdom.

My background makes me meta-skeptical.
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I'd temper my skepticism so I wasn't skewed in the negative or the positive direction, if I was doing it.

There's knowing current info about something is insufficient: that is, in itself, a form of wisdom.

My background makes me meta-skeptical.
Sorry, I don't follow? What do you mean when you say, "There's knowing current info about something is insufficient: that is, in itself, a form of wisdom."?
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I'd temper my skepticism so I wasn't skewed in the negative or the positive direction, if I was doing it.

There's knowing current info about something is insufficient: that is, in itself, a form of wisdom.

My background makes me meta-skeptical.
Sorry, I don't follow? What do you mean when you say, "There's knowing current info about something is insufficient: that is, in itself, a form of wisdom."?
To know you don't currently know enough to decide anything definitive, is to at least know something.
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