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Old 23rd November 2009, 06:14 PM
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Chaplains/pastoral care workers provide general personal and religious advice, comfort and support to all students and staff, regardless of their religious denomination, irrespective of their religious beliefs. The choice of chaplaincy services, including the religious affiliation, was a decision for the local school community, following broad consultation. Students are not obliged to participate. Parents and students will be informed about the availability and non-compulsory nature of the chaplaincy services.
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Old 24th November 2009, 08:21 AM
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Thanks for that link Caio. I've just learnt that the chaplains Federal Government funded budget is $54,000 at my wifes state school. Her budget for her department is $12,000, with which they struggle to help special needs kids. Fucking brilliant, eh?
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Old 25th November 2009, 10:43 AM
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Chaplains/pastoral care workers provide general personal and religious advice, comfort and support to all students and staff, regardless of their religious denomination, irrespective of their religious beliefs. The choice of chaplaincy services, including the religious affiliation, was a decision for the local school community, following broad consultation. Students are not obliged to participate. Parents and students will be informed about the availability and non-compulsory nature of the chaplaincy services.
1) Students are not obligated to participate: The groups that provide the chaplains have an avowed mission to bring jesus to the unchurched. At many schools I find the consent forms are manipulated such that saying no to the chaplain is also saying no to school excursions etc for your child.

2) They have a vested interest in getting around the "neutrality" part of this and there are no checks on their behaviour.

3) Chaplains have no qualifications to do counselling and are forbidden to do so, but they are doing it anyway.

4) Chaplains are acting as a trojan horse to bring others into the school. At many schools they are bringing in "mentors" who are not screened or ascented to. They hold out of school events for the kids that include a fair deal of grooming and eventually conversion without knowledge of the parents.

5) They fund raise for their activities with disguised names for where the funds go. The students are the main contributors who are made to feel like "outsiders" if they don't contribute.

6) The chaplains are placed in charge of the various school outreach programs, changing them from secular assistance to kids and families in need to religious ones.
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Old 25th November 2009, 10:55 AM
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Relevant media release from the Australian Secular Lobby

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Rudd encourages school chaplains to keep undermining secular public schooling: sends his child to private school

The Australian Secular Lobby welcomes Prime Minister Rudd's caution in not simply handing over Commonwealth Government policy making, and agreeing to the ambit log-of-claims for yet another of $300 million of scarce ATO tax-monies to be gifted to the Coalition's friends from various rightwing evangelical Christian bodies, such as the Australian Christian Lobby, Catch The Fire Ministry, and Scripture Union, to provide evangelical missionaries to ‘unchurched’ students in public schools.

However, that Mr. Rudd freely chooses to emulate John Howard and Julie Bishop's simplistic assault on Australia's secular public school system by insisting that school chaplains are the answer to so many complex educational and social issues that his Education Minister, Julia Gillard, is failing to address, is a continuing blight on the idea of secular public schools.

Since October this year, the Coalition and extremist evangelical bodies have been lobbying to squeeze $300 million from Mr. Rudd, to extend the Howard NSCP school chaplaincy plan. It seems that no one either in the ALP, or the broad media, has thought to ask the Coalition why Howard and Bishop only thought to fund the exercise until mid 2010, a political decision if ever one was.

While Mr. Rudd thinks school chaplains are needed in public schools, Julia Gillard's department has failed to seek, or provide, any evidence to show the scheme is needed.

Ms. Gillard has been advised of many breaches of her DEEWR NSCP guidelines but prefers to turn a blind eye and not respond to any concerns.

A report commissioned by the self-interested employers of state school chaplains has been conducted under the respectable banner of Edith Cowan University, but it is clear from the commentary conducted since October that only one favourable line in this 'research' has ever been read by any politician, the one that refers to 97% of school principals supporting school chaplains.

The Vice Chancellor of Edith Cowan University has been asked to endorse this 'research' as being of the highest quality that ECU could produce. To date, Professor Cox has declined to support this self-interested 'research' and appears to have distanced ECU from it.

Professor Cox is faced with a real dilemma. If he endorses the 'research', academics around the world might reasonably question the ECU Research Committee standards. If he fails to endorse it, the lone argument relied upon by Mr. Rudd, Ms. Gillard, Mr. Turnbull and Mr. Christopher Pyne, along with the Australian Christian Lobby and Scripture Union, crumbles to dust.

So long as no one in the media or politics reads the 'research' and continues to rely on the October 13 ABC news report from Mark Colvin's PM program that has been repeated daily as 'proof', the Emperor will continue to be fully clothed.

Mr. Rudd chooses to send his own child to an exclusive private Canberra school, so would not have any first-hand experience of school chaplains at work, or the work state school principals and Julia Gillard allow them to do, frequently in breach of her own guidelines, and also ethical standards, at times.

Mr. Rudd's blanket support for the ATO funded evangelical Christian assault on secular public schooling sees school chaplains evangelise and proselytise, as their employers require them to do, in secular public schools, and in breach of DEEWR and state government policies.

In Queensland, chaplains can:
• conduct evangelistic Scripture Union Christian programs authored by SU specifically for ‘unchurched’ (SU term) children during school hours upon State school students as young as four years old (Prep year to Year 12)
• oversee the 'Smart Food' policy
• supervise the 'officially sanctioned vandalism' of 'muck-up' day
• take photographs of male students posing in their underwear and post the photographs on Facebook
• organise gendered sexist programs written and owned by Hillsong Church including the controversial, evangelical SHINE program (run in place of compulsory school sport in Qld)
• counsel suicidal students with only a 'working with children' Blue Card
• take over school assemblies and compel students to recite Christian prayers irrespective of what they and their parents may think
• impose Christian prayers on students and parents at the Year 12 Graduation Ceremony and Prize Giving nights
• freely proselytise to recruit what Scripture Union refer to as 'unchurched' students to the church and extremist Christian boot camps
• run constant fund-raising for Scripture Union coffers including online credit card ‘tithing’ forms on Education Queensland school websites
• and numerous other activities that go far beyond John Howard's 'friend in the playground' description.

Scripture Union has recently moved into its own building in Brisbane after years of renting, and now has a massive staff to pay for. Scripture Union Queensland openly and often not only describes NSCP funded State school chaplaincy as a ‘ministry’—it runs it as such.

Mr. Rudd has openly expressed his concern about aspects of Scientology: as the High Court judges pointed out in the Scientology case, the price of religious freedom brings many charlatans with it.

Mr. Rudd needs to re-examine the initial basis for school chaplains and the NSCP scheme, address the many breaches of NSCP policy, and answer to those parents and students who are not interested in having public schools regarded as 'missionfields' in which Scripture Union is given open access to recruit for their various evangelical church supporters.

The last word as to why Queensland State school children need to hear the word of Jesus via NSCP funded Scripture Union Queensland chaplains is best left to left to Scripture Union Queensland Southern & Western Qld Regional Director Jenny Clark:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QnQlecTmJs

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Old 25th November 2009, 01:25 PM
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I'm not happy with the situation as it's been described. But I did check out the web page for the Chaplaincy program to check the facts before I wrote to the Labor Party, and it does say:

The choice of chaplaincy services, including the religious affiliation, was a decision for the local school community, following broad consultation.

My kids are out of school now, so I've no direct experience of the pogram. Is there anyone here who was involved in selecting the chaplain (or secular pastoral care worker as it's also described)?
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I'm not happy with the situation as it's been described. But I did check out the web page for the Chaplaincy program to check the facts before I wrote to the Labor Party, and it does say:

The choice of chaplaincy services, including the religious affiliation, was a decision for the local school community, following broad consultation.

My kids are out of school now, so I've no direct experience of the pogram. Is there anyone here who was involved in selecting the chaplain (or secular pastoral care worker as it's also described)?

I reckon you are right Brad but which cash-strapped school principle in her/his right mind would turn down the offer of thousands of dollars to pay for an extra member of staff?

I notice that further up this tread someone said that children have the option of NOT seeing a chaplain if they didn't want to. Again, how many children would know whether or not they should see a chaplain at school?
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I'm not happy with the situation as it's been described. But I did check out the web page for the Chaplaincy program to check the facts before I wrote to the Labor Party, and it does say:

The choice of chaplaincy services, including the religious affiliation, was a decision for the local school community, following broad consultation.

My kids are out of school now, so I've no direct experience of the pogram. Is there anyone here who was involved in selecting the chaplain (or secular pastoral care worker as it's also described)?
The process went like this at my daughters school.

The admin prayer group got a small P&C group to decide we wanted a chaplain. A survey was made of a small sample of school parents (the ones that go to church). Some of the children were also crowded into a room and told they were getting a chaplain, hands up who thinks that's a good idea.

Then a "vote" was conducted. Not all parents got the ballot. I didn't nor any of the other atheist parents I knew. The vote was handed over openly to admin staff who were known to be members of the prayer group. The vote was 90% yes. The wording on the ballot was actually about weather the P&C should contribute extra funds, not about if there should be a chaplain at all. I found out about it after the event.

Next P&C meeting all concerned parents are there and we try to have this halted but the principle wants the money. As a compromise we have a revote. It will be secret ballot, mailed to ALL families and come with a yes and no case. The no case is as tight as I can make it to fit on one page. It is cut down to one paragraph and sent out.

The vote is about 30% yes, 25% no, 45% abstain. This is considered a substantial support for a chaplain and one is selected.

Since then the form for consent has been rigged, the Gideons have been invited into the school without notice handing bibles to the kids, and on and on.

All in all pretty shabby, and it should not come down to a vote. A public school is a mix of many faiths and lack of them. Each group is a minority and so all should be protected from imposition of this sort. There is no need for these spirit guides. The people who want it can take their kids to church.

[edit]There was no consultation at all as to the faith of the chaplain. We got a pentacostal, the usual Scripture Union fare[/edit]

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Old 29th November 2009, 03:29 AM
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Yeah, well its that that has driven me to get political and "militant" about it. Secularism is getting a bashing in this school and in many other schools. One of the difficult things is parents who don't want a confrontation that may get their kids picked on. That is the reason why secularism is important, so those parents are not put in that position.
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