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9th September 2009, 02:00 PM
 TimB Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sydney Posts: 385
Re: How Do You Ascertain Intelligence?

I reckon there are a few traits typical of intelligent people - one of which is probably the ability to know the extent of your own ignorance.
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9th September 2009, 02:20 PM
 wolty This space for rent Super Moderator Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Brisbane Posts: 24,348
Re: How Do You Ascertain Intelligence?

I like that. Maybe it is that the more one knows, the more they realise how little they know and are aware of it.
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9th September 2009, 04:49 PM
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Re: How Do You Ascertain Intelligence?

I think of intelligence as the ability to grasp concepts. Knowledge is the facts you know, intelligence is your ability to learn those facts, and higher intelligence is the ability to analyse those facts.

Intelligence is manifested in many forms and everyone has a different criteria for what they consider important. Some people consider devious people very clever, but I personally consider 'emotional intelligence' to be more 'clever' than manipulation. Most of my friends are fairly academically clever, but then some people we know are clever in an academic sense, but quite obtuse in any other sense, which irritates me personally. Some of our most academically successful friends are more good-at-details-and-hard-slog than brilliantly-insightful.

Now here's a question - what is WISDOM?
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9th September 2009, 07:56 PM
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Re: How Do You Ascertain Intelligence?

I look at my dad as someone with wisdom. He seems to be able to detach himself from others problems and give excellant advice no matter what the subject matter is. I have alot of respect for him. People with wisdom seem much more serene than others. They seem calmer in crisis and are able to look after themselves better.
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9th September 2009, 09:03 PM
 Logic Up there for thinking... Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Brisbane Posts: 2,079
Re: How Do You Ascertain Intelligence?

I'm from the different types of intelligence school of thought- academic, social and emotional - eg. I'd say I'm highly emotionally intelligent but I suck at maths :P
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16th September 2009, 10:58 AM
 TÐöer Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 1,093
Re: How Do You Ascertain Intelligence?

This is a very good question. How do we define intelligence?

Even in IQ test there are disclaimers that, it does not fully test a person's abilities, it only test on standard agreed areas.

For example, it would never know your creative aspects of intelligence.

And for any given area of intelligence, there could still be multiple shades of grey, such as a good musician may not be a good artists and vice versa.

Thus the best answer for this is:
Quote:
 Forrest Gump: "Stupid is as stupid does."
People are just as intelligent or dumb, based on their actions. Even if they were smart, but failed to use their brains, or are constantly in a state of denial, then for that instance you can call them dumb.
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Last edited by TÐöer; 16th September 2009 at 11:01 AM.
#17
16th September 2009, 11:11 AM
 TÐöer Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 1,093
Re: How Do You Ascertain Intelligence?

This is something that has been on my mind lately... How is it, that 2 people with the same sets of memory can derive different ideas?

Sometimes when we hear what other's say, we'd think "Brilliant, why couldn't I have said it like that?" The reason being that you have the same set of memories, that would have eventually given you the same results, except that you did not traverse that thought process/synapse route in favour of other routes.

I believe, the reason for this, is peoples inclination, to traverse which routes of memory.

We simply, cannot travel all of them within a given time. Thus, the key to intelligence, is having the right nose, for traversing the right route.

Among fools, some people simply refuse to traverse any routes except those they have travelled a million times before. This is the problem which obstructs intelligence.
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#18
16th September 2009, 11:23 AM
 TÐöer Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 1,093
Re: How Do You Ascertain Intelligence?

Therefore, a person can generally appear smarter, if he

1. Has the processing speed, to go through lots of ideas within a given time.
2. Have large repository in which to refer to.
<optimized by the following>
3. Unafraid to travel the less travelled/less obvious path in memory
4. Have a keen nose, in where the money is, which path will return the best result fastest (this may be due to experience, where a person manages to identify how a certain way of thinking optimizes his search.)

If one thinks, but has no knowledge then nothing can be articulated.
If one is knowledgeable but unable to think, then nothing can be extracted.

But to have a larger repository or to have higher thinking capacity, which is more critical??

I figure that, even if you had little knowledge (assume being dumped on an Island, where you have no knowledge of survival) but are still able to think, and relearn from new experiences, you'd still survive better than to have knowledge, but the inability to apply it, or to derive new ideas/knowledge from it.
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Last edited by TÐöer; 16th September 2009 at 11:28 AM.
#19
16th September 2009, 11:41 AM
 Sir Patrick Crocodile - Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 12,367
Re: How Do You Ascertain Intelligence?

I was thinking about that just now before I saw this thread.

I suppose it would be good to graph it:
Code:
Intellect
▲
│
│\
│ \
│  \
│   \
│    \
└——————►Speed
Any point on that slanting line is the perceived intelligence - as intellect/sped ratio. Note how the ratio remains constant in the graph.

So for example a computer may be perceived as being smarter than a human - because even though it has an extraordinarily low intellect - it has a much superior processing speed. If it had the same processing speed as a human it would definitely look much dumber.

So I would say that intelligence as people see it is actually perceived intelligence - which has multiple parameters.
#20
16th September 2009, 11:46 AM
 TÐöer Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 1,093
Re: How Do You Ascertain Intelligence?

You have a point there. It's a matter of playing with the 2 things, Memory/knowledge against processing.

Both are required in order to build new knowledge. Knowledge is the building blocks, and only through processing can we associate them together. But I tend to think, processing is more important, because we can acquire knowledge eventually, but some people can never gain the ability to think.

Cultured people, just so happen to be people who can think.

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People who can think (generalising again), tend to be more inquisitive, and absorb knowledge like sponges, whereas normal people just see things at face value and wouldn't be bothered with gaining any finer knowledge.

They'd go... "ooo you're smart"... then completely forget about the whole difference between "capisce" and "Kapish"

I have sometimes tried to describe WW2 blunders to people, and what they mean to us. People start dozing of quite quickly.
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Those who care, already knows. Those Who don't know never would want to know. Therefore to think has no benefit but to self??

Last edited by TÐöer; 16th September 2009 at 12:09 PM.

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