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Old 24th April 2012, 11:40 AM
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Hello,

Firstly, I would like to say greetings to you all. I am from Perth and I am a Christian in my religeous and spiritiual beliefs. But I have a problem in that I am just about sure that God doesn't exist.

So that puts the mockers on my faith, or does it?

I am moderate protestant, Lutheran in fact, and there is nothing particularly odd about going to our Sunday services, except that we worship God. I like everything else about our services...the community, the friendship, the sharing, the family involvement, the social and business contacts.

Why does God have to be a supernatural being...why can't we have all those things without "Him" or the concept of "Him"? What if we remove the word God and put in the word "Universe"?

To me that clarifies a host of the horrible stuff in the bible or the koran of the talmut...all that horrible judgemental stuff. Is that all religeons do, is just others to scare them into being a part of the religeon, or is it to scare people into behaving in a suitably and dictated moral fashion...one way that may work, but at the expense of other ways that might work for society too.?

I am making progress but I though I might make contact here to see if I can reach some clarity as to the "God Illusion"...rather than the delusion.

Cheers

oberg
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Old 24th April 2012, 12:38 PM
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Hi oberg and welcome to the forum.

Thanks for honestly stating your viewpoint on god and religion.

I think you will find you are not alone in enjoying some of the community aspects of religion without having a true belief in god.

I think there are many issues for you to explore and this forum may well help you in your search.
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Hi Oberg,

Are you a "cultural Christian" then?
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Old 24th April 2012, 01:58 PM
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Hi oberg, welcome to the forum, hope you enjoy the community and support.
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Firstly, I would like to say greetings to you all. I am from Perth and I am a Christian in my religeous and spiritiual beliefs. But I have a problem in that I am just about sure that God doesn't exist.

So that puts the mockers on my faith, or does it?
Y'see, some of us wouldn't classify lacking belief in gods as a problem, actually...

But seriously, it does make the whole religious thing somewhat problematic, if you don't believe in the alleged being at the foundation of it all - dogma, practices, worship, the whole shebang, founded on a non-existent authority.
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I am moderate protestant, Lutheran in fact, and there is nothing particularly odd about going to our Sunday services, except that we worship God. I like everything else about our services...the community, the friendship, the sharing, the family involvement, the social and business contacts.
If you've not already done so, perhaps have a read of "Godless" by Dan Barker. Dan is a former evangelical minister who transitioned to atheism while still in the ministry. You may find that it helps your thinking about the issues that you've canvassed. I'll provide a link later, if needed.

Your post raises a lot of other issues, which I'll look at addressing later.

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If you've not already done so, perhaps have a read of "Godless" by Dan Barker. Dan is a former evangelical minister who transitioned to atheism while still in the ministry.
Interestingly I just returned to this thread with the intention of recomending "Godless" by Dan Barker for someone in your position. However I see that LP has already made the recomedation so I will just say: + 1
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Hello,

Firstly, I would like to say greetings to you all. I am from Perth and I am a Christian in my religeous and spiritiual beliefs. But I have a problem in that I am just about sure that God doesn't exist.

So that puts the mockers on my faith, or does it?
So basically you are confused about your beliefs. Is that about right?

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I am moderate protestant, Lutheran in fact, and there is nothing particularly odd about going to our Sunday services, except that we worship God. I like everything else about our services...the community, the friendship, the sharing, the family involvement, the social and business contacts.
You can get all that being a muslim or scientologist. And even better when you're a muslim too. Been there, done that.

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Why does God have to be a supernatural being...why can't we have all those things without "Him" or the concept of "Him"? What if we remove the word God and put in the word "Universe"?
That means your religion sounds even more stupid, because now you need to believe that the universe is its own father, died on the cross, and that the universe commands everybody to stone each other to death.

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To me that clarifies a host of the horrible stuff in the bible or the koran of the talmut...all that horrible judgemental stuff. Is that all religeons do, is just others to scare them into being a part of the religeon, or is it to scare people into behaving in a suitably and dictated moral fashion...one way that may work, but at the expense of other ways that might work for society too.?
It may have scared you into being a moderate lutherian protestant whatever.

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I am making progress but I though I might make contact here to see if I can reach some clarity as to the "God Illusion"...rather than the delusion.

Cheers

oberg
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Howdy oberg,

Welcome to the forums.

I hope your time here provides learning, improved self knowledge and a method of breaking the chains to your held superstitions.

All the best.

4lan

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