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Conflating marriage equality with education is patently ridiculous. The 'no' crowd seem to be trying to say that SSM will precipitate a public school curriculum that teachers kids how to be gay (demonstrating a deep ignorance of our understanding of human sexuality), encourage cross-dressing (wtf?) and teaching kids that it's ok to be gay. Putting aside the last one, (which is as it should be and already happens), this is just nonsense, obviously.

But what i find so obsequious and underhanded about the 'no' ad, is the blatant obfuscation at play. Rather than just state their case they engage in modern emotive advertising techniques to promote their belief. The truth is, the 'no' is opposed to SSM because the bible says so. So, why can't these good xtians find the fortitude to just say that? Is it because it sounds ridiculous? Are they embarrassed? Do they think that if they honestly stated their case it would be dismissed out of hand? What a bunch of fucking cowards. To scared to openly stand by their own convictions. Pathetic.
My emphasis in the above.

But DOES the bible really say what they think it's saying?

(Whole bunch of quotes and interpretations at linky)
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Considering the context

We need to put all this in perspective. These are six verses out of more than 31,000 verses or roughly 0.016 per cent of the text.

In contrast, the Bible contains more than 2,000 verses about money (and related issues of greed, wealth, loans, and property), and more than 100 specifically on one's obligation to care for widows.

In other words, monitoring and proscribing human (homo)sexual activity is not a particular concern of the Bible when compared to the overarching demand for justice, economic equality, and the fair treatment of foreigners and strangers.

For certain Christian groups to make this the decisive Christian issue is simply a misreading of biblical values.

Lest readers think the Bible is against sexuality generally, there is an entire biblical book devoted to celebrating human sexual desire. Written in the style of a Mesopotamian love poem, the Song of Songs (sometimes called Song of Solomon), speaks positively of both female and male sexual yearning.

Serious Christians cannot ignore the Bible. They can, however, make sure that they interpret it with all the tools available to them, that they examine their own biases, and stop over-simplifying the issues.

The Bible offers a wide variety of marriage arrangements, many of which we no longer condone. It never condemns same-sex marriage, partly because it simply does not address the issue directly.

It does, however, give us an ethic to guide how we treat one another: an ethic based upon God's generous love and a profound concern for justice.

Robyn J Whitaker is Bromby Lecturer in Biblical Studies at Trinity College and a lecturer at the University of Divinity.
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Old 2nd September 2017, 10:33 AM
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Here's why you should vote "No" to Marriage Equality!!
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And the cross-linked astroturfing organisations are at it for Father's Day:

In short: The advert was a mite too political to go through without an "authorised by" tag, and the issuing organisation quickly hid its anti-marriage-equality from everyone but Internet Archive.
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Here's Your Guide To The Big High Court Hearing Against The Same-Sex Marriage Survey - Buzzfeed

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On Tuesday and Wednesday, two groups of same-sex marriage advocates will lock horns with the government in Australia's highest court in an attempt to stop Australia's upcoming postal survey on same-sex marriage.

It's the latest — and perhaps final — stance against the government's policy of a public vote of some kind on same-sex marriage, which was first raised in August 2015 and has been bitterly opposed by segments of the LGBTI community ever since.

Unlike Ireland, Australia does not need to have a public vote to legalise same-sex marriage.

The government's two efforts to get a compulsory attendance plebiscite through the Senate both failed. Now, it is embarking on a last-ditch effort to enact its election promise: a postal survey run by the Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS).

The "yes" and "no" campaigns are already in full swing, but the two challenges lodged in the High Court of Australia could stop the whole thing in its tracks. Or the court could wave the government's survey through — and potentially set an interesting precedent for future uses of government funds.

If you plan to follow this significant case across the next two days and want to get your head around what to expect, here's a summary of the major players and the arguments for and against the survey.
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And a Buzzfeed bonus...

The Guy Who Runs Liberal Anti Same-Sex Marriage Website Is Suspended From The Party

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The Liberals and Nationals for Marriage campaign is run by a former Liberal National Party (LNP) Senate candidate who is currently suspended from the party for criticising prime minister Malcolm Turnbull on Facebook.

The Liberals and Nationals for Marriage website and Facebook page, urging party supporters to vote "no" in Australia's postal survey on same-sex marriage, was started earlier this week by married couple David and Belinda Goodwin.

The Courier Mail reported in July that Mr Goodwin had been formally suspended for one year in May after calling for Turnbull to be dumped and replaced with deputy prime minister Barnaby Joyce in a post on his private Facebook page.
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Those abusive anti-equality posters that appeared in a few suburbs? They come from a real nice bunch of people - not.

Antipodean Resistance Neo-Nazi group trying to sway Australia's same-sex marriage postal vote

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An Australian white power group, whose members pledge allegiance to Hitler during secret radicalisation camps, is posting propaganda around Melbourne designed to sway the national same-sex marriage postal vote.

The activities of Antipodean Resistance have so far been limited to Nazi-inspired vandalism, but terror experts are warning of the potential for violence.

There are now calls for the group, which has been actively recruiting members, to be banned as a terrorist organisation.

Antipodean Resistance has come to the attention of authorities through its attempts to influence the debate around the upcoming same-sex marriage postal vote, with posters linking gay marriage to paedophilia.

The ABC has confirmed the homophobic posters have been seen and removed as recently as Sunday from Melbourne locations including the Victorian Labor Party headquarters, Birrarung Marr park, Little Lonsdsale Street, RMIT University and St Michael's Uniting Church.

Anti-Semitic posters and swastika stickers linked to the group were seen and removed at the University of Queensland, the University of Sydney, Victorian Trades Hall Council, Melbourne Grammar School and Melbourne's Southland shopping centre

The group has also claimed responsibility for Chinese-language posters at Melbourne universities threatening Asian students with deportation.
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During the hearing the government is apparently going to try to argue that they aren't qualified to bring proceedings;


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The groups will have to show whether they’ve got “standing”, which comes from having a special interest in the proceedings.

Now I would have thought, since the government has decided that everyone has to have the opportunity to vote on it, that everyone has standing because everyone, by dint of being included in the survey, has a special interest.


http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/gay...f094df4c4ed756


I mean if we didn't have a special interest surely we wouldn't get to vote...oops sorry survey on it.
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Noice article from the treasonous (ask Dicky Smith) ABC.

Why is the article noice? Because it points out the logical fallacies upon which five No Vote arguments are based.

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The curious thing about the No campaign is that the arguments advanced rarely have much to do with the central question of whether two people of the same sex should be allowed to enter a secular marriage.

So let's take a look at some of the things the No campaign has been talking about instead of the question being posed in the ABS one-question questionnaire — "should the law be changed to allow same-sex couples to marry?"

1. When a man loves a bridge

A slippery slope argument is when you argue that allowing one thing will inexorably lead to a far worse thing. Eric Abetz suggested that marriage equality could subsequently lead to people marrying the Harbour Bridge because "why not?" And full credit to him — I've never previously seen a slippery slope argument involving an actual slope.

Eric Abetz, with glasses lowers, looks over his shoulder during Senate estimates.
PHOTO: Senator Eric Abetz offered a slippery slope argument that actually involved a slope. (AAP: Lukas Coch)
But let's answer his question. Bridges, at least as far as I know, are not sentient beings able to consent to marriage. Besides, last time I checked, the Harbour Bridge was very much a pay-to-play operation, if you get what I mean.

The broader problem with slippery slope arguments is that defining precise limits on things is essentially what governments do. The Medicare schedule, for instance, precisely delineates what the Government will pay for, and what it will not.
Go forth and read it: become amused and edified at the same time.
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