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"The particular Gatha which provides striking parallels for Second Isaiah is Yasna 44. This is formed as a series of questions addressed to Ahura Mazda"

google that and read Boyces books - Yasna 44 is only one of many bits given to the Jews by Zoroastrians - and the Yasna 44 is addressed to Ahura Mazda but that name is replaced with YHWH - absolute proof positive to anyone but a mental defective like you that YHWH and Ahura Mazda are the same.
Yes there is plenty of overlap with Zoroastrianism, certainly the concepts of heaven and hell that slightly pervaded Judaism (job) and certainly did Christianity came from the Zoroastrian tradition not ancient Judaism or it's origin the Canaanite religion.

To say YHWH came from Zoroastrianism is a stretch considering Judaism is an offshoot of the Canaanite pantheon and YHWH was a war god there.

As to Yasna and Second Isaiah, I am not denying the link, it may well be true, but it is hard to say how much exactly as Zoroastrianism was an oral tradition and texts in question weren't even written down until the 9th Century.
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Old 1st September 2017, 06:31 PM
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Religion and by extension Christianity are declining in the west, even in the US.

http://www.pewforum.org/2010/02/17/r...e-millennials/

However, the chance of it becoming extinct is not likely to occur due to the pervasiveness of religious beliefs. Also as others have pointed out the drop off in believers in the west will be more than compensated for by the higher birth rates or Christian communities in the developing world.
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Of course my end game is not for christianity to become extinct or for religion to go away. I want religion to take its fucking hands off the steering wheel. To that end a reduction in religion is probably helpful.
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Old 2nd September 2017, 09:28 AM
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Yes there is plenty of overlap with Zoroastrianism, certainly the concepts of heaven and hell that slightly pervaded Judaism (job) and certainly did Christianity came from the Zoroastrian tradition not ancient Judaism or it's origin the Canaanite religion.

To say YHWH came from Zoroastrianism is a stretch considering Judaism is an offshoot of the Canaanite pantheon and YHWH was a war god there.

As to Yasna and Second Isaiah, I am not denying the link, it may well be true, but it is hard to say how much exactly as Zoroastrianism was an oral tradition and texts in question weren't even written down until the 9th Century.
The Jews changed their religion to Zoroastrianism after liberation by Cyrus the Great. The Hebrews did not - hence Sadducees and Pharisees debate and violence. Pharisees had Zoroastrian beliefs Sadducees did not. Plenty of overlap? Its the same belief system and the closest religion to each other - more than an overlap. The Ugarit findings have been a wealth of new information about the old religion before Cyrus.

Paradise is an AVESTAN word - from the AVESTA and the Hebrews did not have the concept pre Exile.

The Cannaanite religion was the Hebrew religion whereas the Zoroastrians from Cyrus changed the religion of the Jews when Cyrus was announced by YHWH as his Messiah - Christ Isaiah 45:1.

The Jews changed to Monotheism and got rid of Asherah - the consort of El. The Zoroastrians converted the Jews because they believed they and the Zoroastrians worshiped the same god and YHWH said Cyrus acted for him and in his name. Pretty drastic stuff.

The Sadducees hung on to the old Canaanite beliefs and were all wiped out by the Romans in 70 CE except for one single solitary Pharisee with Zoroastrian beliefs.

You cannot deny the link between Yasna 44 and the 2nd Isaiah? Wow a breakthrough.

It may be true? How patronising can you get? IT IS FUCKING TRUE.

Yes the Avesta was orally transmitted to the only way the Jews got it was it was told to them by the Zoroastrians. There are Avestan words in the Septuagint Bible and the whole concept of the changeover to Monotheism from polytheism or more correctly Henotheism was all because the Zoroastrians taught the Jews who were eager to learn because the 2nd Isaiah has YHWH himself saying Cyrus was his Christ and acted in his name.

It is true that the 2nd Isaiah is a word for word parallel with Yasna 44 - that is fact. The parallel has the 2nd Isaiah answering the questions asked in Yasna 44 and where in Yasna 44 the word Ahura Mazda is used the tetragrammaton YHWH replaces it.

So as I speak with some authority on this subject my point is that after Cyrus and the 2nd Isaiah YHWH and Ahura Mazda is one and the same.

The Jews, Christians and Muslims all claim the god of the 2nd Isaiah to be their god - and that means they worship the Zoroastrian god Ahura Mazda.

The 2ns Isaiah was only the first imprint on the Jews the main imprint came later with Ezra and Nehemiah (one a single book on the OT now split into 2 books) where Ezra taught Zoroastrianism he claimed he had the new information directly from Moses - but Moses never lived and certainly never went to Babylon.

Ezra taught the Vendidad to the Jews.

The only reason the Sassanians wrote the Avesta was because it had to be preserved and so much had to be lost because of conquest and it was saved - the Sassanians even went and got some back from the Jews believe it or not because they had preserved it from destruction. Oral transmission was still popular even when the Parsees went to India in the 7-8th centuries to escape Muslim persecution - they took no books it was all orally transmitted by Magi.


read Mary Boyce and LH Mills - "Our Own Religion in Ancient Persia" Mills translated Zoroastrian text and was a genius.

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He lives! And he still can't prepare a valid case.

ETA: Now, Boris, while you're adding to a thread that's already been killed, you still don't seem to have grasped the means of establishing your claim.

1 .Telling people to read the entire book (or an author's entire body of work, as you have done) is not proof.
2. Saying "(Author) said this" is not proof.
3. You need to provide cited passages from the text, with context, where the author states the case you are attributing to them. NOT "implies ", "alludes to", or "says something I have extrapolated upon".

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What Mr B said.

Mod direction: Be very careful Boris, you were very lucky not to be suspended due to your behaviour prior to the rage-quit (probably because we assumed you wouldn't be back - given the rather ugly things you were saying about us).

So consider yourself warned - play by the rules and engage with the members who take the time to read your posts and press you for further information - you are out of slack.
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I was having a conversation with joele

now the thought police are back on my case.

you really are nasty bastards

what rules and how can anyone play by them?

I was having a conversation

but you Nazis are just too much

delete mky membership to this shit hole and go fuck yourselves

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A forum is a forum.

You get on a soapbox, you are obliged to field questions and replies from the crowd.

BTW, I imagine having Jewish culture and history gentile-splained to one must be an interesting experience to a person of Jewish heritage.

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These ones. Look - I'm quoting, not telling you to go find it for yourself!
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Surprise, surprise - Boris is suspended for a little while.

Should he, again, choose to return after, again, embarrassing himself it would be hoped he would show the most basic courtesy of reading the stickied thread in the 'Introduce Yourself' forum titled '|| PLEASE READ | New Member Information' as it appears the rules of civil discourse do not occur naturally in him.

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