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Old 11th November 2016, 12:18 AM
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Re the killing of magnificent and endangered animals for sport - that is appalling conduct.

To the point underlying this: Clinton has a long history, in the US Senate (especially with respect to the US Endangered Species Act) and as Secretary of State (in relation to efforts to stop the killing and trafficking of animals) of past achievement.

She also took the most progressive environmental platform of any major party candidate to the election, and specifically stood up to Trump in relation to his suggestion that US domestic species protection laws should be wound back.
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Old 11th November 2016, 12:37 AM
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However much people want to blame the Democrats, their voters or Clinton herself, the result of this election is due at least as much to anyone who pushed the narrative that Clinton and Trump were equally or even similarly “bad”.

Shame on them. The most qualified candidate in a generation was defeated by the least qualified of all time. That is what misogyny looks like, and, like all bigotries, it will end up dragging us all down.
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Old 11th November 2016, 12:39 AM
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With Democrats defeated and Republicans scared to step out of line, Donald Trump’s control over the three branches of the US government means this horror show hasn’t yet begun.

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Having watched the campaigns and the election closely, I've seen nothing to suggest that Hillary Clinton -and many others- did not believe that she was the best candidate that the Dems could put forward. Certainly, there were others who had a different view, but that's the nature of collegiate decision-making. She -and many others- worked diligently to achieve her election. She will win the popular vote, and she damn near won.

That she was not successful against Trump within the structure of that multifaceted system, it seems to me, is certainly cause for careful reflection and, quite possibly, an adjustment of approaches in future.

What's troubling me here? I might be wrong, but I'm worried that there might be an undertone that somehow it's Hillary Clinton's fault that the electorate chose Trump.

If there's such a suggestion, I repudiate it.
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Old 11th November 2016, 12:48 AM
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They would not countenance a woman, nor someone reasonable.
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From my previous Guardian link.


Sorry but totally unsubstantiated, there is good reasons that Hillary was not the best candidate and her being a woman has nothing to do with it.

Those blaming the electoral results on people for pointing out she is not a glowing human being with some pretty bad history especially in foreign policy, let alone saying it is due to misogyny, are totally living in a bubble.

Best candidate in a generation? What?

Feel free to go back to my list and tell me why I should not mention those concerns, just because another option is more concerning.

I also think blaming it on misogyny is a cop out.




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Old 11th November 2016, 12:55 AM
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I see thousands are demonstrating agains Trump.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-us...-idUSKBN1343CO
I am not sure this has ever happened before?
But in this case, it is totally justified. Don't let him of the hook.
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Old 11th November 2016, 07:26 AM
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Clinton was piss weak. I am not accusing he of being a woman butbof lacking the ability to recognise the fight that was being waged.
For example I read that Trump's solution to the decline in America and the working class getting poorer is to propose slashing business taxes to 15%. I never ever heard him talking about a living wage. Combined with his statements to massively increase funding to the military and military industrial complex that can only mean that some large groups of people have ro pay for this largesse.
Trump may try to protect his support base by externalising the costs to the environment, to minorities by slashing funding to social services, by making other oppressed groups or countries in the world pay, and of course cutting aid. He could also try to do what he said should be done for example by 'taking the Iraqi oil'.


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Clinton was piss weak.
What does that even mean?

It seems like you're saying she didn't beat her chest, make up vitriolic bullshit, and hate on people.... because that's the only 'weak' element I can see.


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I am not accusing he of being a woman butbof lacking the ability to recognise the fight that was being waged.
The 'fight' was the nastiest, most personal and hate-filled, school-bully style presidential nomination in the history of the US.

Sometimes, winning isn't worth acting against principles. Also, you have to remember the adage about wrestling pigs. I can't remotely see how not acting like this makes her 'weak' - I'd say it makes her classy, normal, adult.
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According to political scientist Larry Diamond, democracy consists of four key elements: (a) A political system for choosing and replacing the government through free and fair elections; (b) The active participation of the people, as citizens, in politics and civic life; (c) Protection of the human rights of all citizens, and (d) A rule of law, in which the laws and procedures apply equally to all citizens.
This sound reasonable to me.
Did a, b, c & d happen here?
a: Sure, i'll grant that.
b: Just over 50% turnout, not so sure.
c: You got to be shitting me
d: See c

There's a fine line between democracy and mob rule, maybe it's been crossed....
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