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Old 27th April 2012, 09:08 PM
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I'm not sure how the story can be considered debunked yet. Praxis' link is unclear as to whether the legislation actually exists or not, just echoes my opinion, that it could be proposed by a wacko and have no chance of passing. Anybody have anything more factual?

Edit; I mean there is a distinction between the legislation being real, but certain for defeat, and the story actually not being true. Certainly the OPs link doesn't say that it has or will pass parliament, and in fact specifically mentions people fighting to stop it from passing parliament, which gives credibility to it being a real piece of legislation.

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Old 27th April 2012, 09:26 PM
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So if your into masturbation and necrophilia would that mean you'd still be flogging a dead horse or camel (as you prefer of course)???

Seems kinda out there doesn't it,..
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Old 28th April 2012, 12:09 AM
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Google had a lot of articles. I don't think it's one rouge reporter.
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Old 28th April 2012, 01:16 AM
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Google had a lot of articles. I don't think it's one rouge reporter.
Hmmm.

An Al Arabiya News article link is provided as reference in The UK Week story: http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/04/25/210198.html. Among other things, it alleges:
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Egypt’s National Council for Women (NCW) has appealed to the Islamist-dominated parliament not to approve two controversial laws on the minimum age of marriage and allowing a husband to have sex with his dead wife within six hours of her death according to a report in an Egyptian newspaper.

The appeal came in a message sent by Dr. Mervat al-Talawi, head of the NCW, to the Egyptian People’s Assembly Speaker, Dr. Saad al-Katatni, addressing the woes of Egyptian women, especially after the popular uprising that toppled president Hosni Mubarak in February 2011.
However, here is the link to the google-translated homepage of that same National Council for Women, apparently (original site: http://www.ncwegypt.com/ ). Please feel free to peruse it at your leisure, but I've had a bit of a look around that site, and I haven't found any reference to this story or law, in the website of the campaiging organisation apparently quoted in the media.

I'll stand to be corrected, however if this was a genuine campaign issue for the NCW, methinks they'd be shouting about it front-and-square on their homepage, and seeking to elicit sympathetic international reaction to pressure Egypt's lawmakers, no?
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Old 28th April 2012, 09:29 AM
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Unless the explanation that it's legislation being put up by a fringe group and has no chance of passing is true, in which case the NCW may have mentioned their opposition to it, leading to the column, but chosen not campaign on an issue they will win without effort.
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Unless the explanation that it's legislation being put up by a fringe group and has no chance of passing is true, in which case the NCW may have mentioned their opposition to it, leading to the column, but chosen not campaign on an issue they will win without effort.
I agree that this can't be discounted ATM. Unless they were extremely confident of winning, I'd think that was a risky strategy.

It also occurred to me that NCW also may not have wished to draw to much attention to the "proposal", in order to save Egypt from "undeserved international embarrassment", if indeed it's a fringe group nomination.

Donning the tinfoil hat for a sec, I also wonder whether its a possible stitch-up job by some other group that doesn't like NCW for some reason, and wishes to discredit then? Pure speculation, I admit.
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I don't think it's one rouge reporter.
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Old 29th April 2012, 12:11 AM
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More information here suggesting that the story's a beat-up at best, and a deliberate hoax at worst.

It's a pretty detailed piece , with lots of chronology tracing of how the "story" developed. An extract:
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There was a classic example of this yesterday, when a story so grotesque, bizarre, and appalling that you'd think no one would believe it without evidence (and there was none) managed to turn up in print media and all over the Internet before a few intrepid souls noticed that there was no credible sourcing to the story.
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After an inevitable "WHAT!!!???" response, which of the following options do you think was the reaction of many (thankfully, not all) of the media?:
  1. Traditional journalistic due diligence: Who has introduced this outrageous law in Parliament. What are the sources of the story? Where is this supposed bill in the Parliamentary process? When was it introduced? Why would anybody believe this outrageous story without even citing the name of one Member of Parliament supporting such a bill? Or:
  2. Just reprint it without checking with anyone. After all, I saw it on the Internet, so it must be true.
Yes, a lot of folks who should know better chose door number two.
As it's a blog, I shan't quote wholesale, as a matter of netiquette.

In terms of credibility and reputation of the organisation associated with the blog - LINK:
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Middle East Institute Mission and policy said
MEI's mission is "...to increase knowledge of the Middle East among citizens of the United States and to promote better understanding between the peoples of the two areas".
MEI was and remains a non-profit, non-partisan organization dedicated to the neutral dissemination of information about the Middle East. While the Institute's employees and Scholars often publicize their political opinions, MEI itself expressly does not take positions on Middle East policy
In the absence of counter-evidence, it's not looking good for the original story, methinks.
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Bummer. The jokes were just starting.
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As I understand it, those questions are false. The claim is that the legislation has been drafted and that it's going to be introduced to parliament for debate. As I understand it, the Egyptians are currently trying to write a new constitution, so presumably legislative issues will wait until then.

I did read that the Egyptian embassy informally claimed that the draft legislation didn't exist. But as yet it seems silly to decide that the bill does or does not exist, although I think we can now be confident that it's not a bill which will pass parliament and become law.
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