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Old 17th December 2016, 09:06 PM
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The Romans were heavily committed to cracking down on rebellions and transgressors. They didn't crucify Roman citizens.

If this Barabbas individual existed and was let off scot free, it would have been to appease the Jews, maybe because they demanded it according to the Leviticus directive you cited, SEG.

Judea was an unruly colony. There were rebellions.
Yes, but if he didn't exist and was only made up as an allegory, that doesn't mean that the Jesus of the Bible crucifixion didn't happen. It still could have been an actual event that was spiced up later. To me it looks like the Barabbas story was added to make the Jesus story more emotional and therefore more appealing.

Jesus Barabbas is unknown until the fake Jewish tradition is used to make a decision of whether Jesus gets executed or freed according to the allegory. Once his literary construct is performed, there is no need for him to exist any more. That's the way I see it anyway. Others here seem to regard the crucifixion part of Jesus's biography as the most historical, but I regard it as the most bogus because of the fake Jewish tradition that was alluded to.
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Old 17th December 2016, 11:31 PM
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Others here seem to regard the crucifixion part of Jesus's biography as the most historical, but I regard it as the most bogus because of the fake Jewish tradition that was alluded to.
As you can imagine there has been extensive discussion on the forum on this topic informed from scholarship. I expect it's in the archives. Blue Lightning has looked with some considerable depth into the question of a historical Jesus, the incunabula, cobbling together and the deeming what is canonical of the gospels and writings in the New Testament, by the 'Church Fathers'.

There has been extensive fabrication and doctoring. The historical Jesus is a myth. Certainly there was no Christ. It is a Platonist idea.

I don't know who of others posting here, claim Jesus or his crucifixion are factual. Some might believe it. I haven't noticed any assertions to same. One could try to revive the topic, for the edification of lurkers.
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The Romans were heavily committed to cracking down on rebellions and transgressors. They didn't crucify Roman citizens.

If this Barabbas individual existed and was let off scot free, it would have been to appease the Jews, maybe because they demanded it according to the Leviticus directive you cited, SEG.

Judea was an unruly colony. There were rebellions.
G'day Strato. Both Philo and Josephus described Pontius Pilate as being cruel to the Jews. In describing Pilate's personality, Philo writes in the 1st century that Pilate had "vindictiveness and furious temper", and was "naturally inflexible, a blend of self-will and relentlessness". Apparently if they asked him to do something, he would do the exact opposite. He was called back to Rome for being too cruel to Samaritans.

The gospels describe him as being a dithering weakling. It is very unlikely that an authority with the might of the Roman military would succumb to the Jews pressure on him to execute someone like Jesus. Him allowing Joseph of Arimathea (wherever the hell that was) to take Jesus's body into a tomb is pretty unbelievable too.

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Old 18th December 2016, 12:42 PM
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As you can imagine there has been extensive discussion on the forum on this topic informed from scholarship. I expect it's in the archives. Blue Lightning has looked with some considerable depth into the question of a historical Jesus, the incunabula, cobbling together and the deeming what is canonical of the gospels and writings in the New Testament, by the 'Church Fathers'.

There has been extensive fabrication and doctoring. The historical Jesus is a myth. Certainly there was no Christ. It is a Platonist idea.

I don't know who of others posting here, claim Jesus or his crucifixion are factual. Some might believe it. I haven't noticed any assertions to same. One could try to revive the topic, for the edification of lurkers.
Yes, I have seen some of the past discussions. BL would be the most qualified here on the subject of evidence from what I have gathered in my short time here, so I really value his opinions.

You make me breathe a sigh of relief re Jesus' historicity. I'm a member of a couple of other atheist forums in the US and over there the atheists that AREN'T mythicists seem to cop a hard time.

On a side note, Strato, I see by your profile that you are a rock nerd? I got to meet the rock historian Glenn A Baker last year through my business!

He's a wealth of knowledge as you would know and has met the most important rock artists of our time. He gave me an autographed copy of his book "Best of Baker Music" at his property in the Hills District of Sydney. He has an enormous rock archive built next to his house. The book is a great read if that type of thing interests you.
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Cheers, SEG,

Whether there was a historical Yeshua gathering followers, or it is all invented, is really moot. The gospels and epistles have nothing to inform us about reality, life and conduct. We have reason and science for that. Of course historical scholarship is invaluable.
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I believe Wearesrardust has also read widely on this. I expect others have.
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Cool, I'll look through the past posts as I am a newbie to this forum
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The precept behind this is myth. The Romans had no such tradition of letting prisoners go, and they certainly would not have let the Jews choose. We have historical records of Pontius Pilate and there is nothing to suggest this at all.

My view is that this story is like you and others have said an allegory. That doesn't mean crucifictions weren't happening though.

All of this should be viewed through the lens of Rome trying to quell the Judean (and other) rebellions. This is an obvious appeasement where Rome can point to the xtians book and say "Well we gave you the choice". But when you see that there was no choice, the whole story falls down as a factual claim.
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