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Old 29th November 2016, 01:48 PM
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Repulsive seeing Mitt Romney, a dedicated Trump detractor during the campaign, now up in Trump tower licking Trump's arse.
That is the nature of modern politicians, people rarely stick to their 'convictions' if it means they can get a place in the inner circle. However, it may not be all his idea, I think the GOP establishment are pushing for one of their own to be included so that they can try and get a handle on Trump. If past results are anything to go by they will fail spectacularly.
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Old 29th November 2016, 02:04 PM
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Repulsive seeing Mitt Romney, a dedicated Trump detractor during the campaign, now up in Trump tower licking Trump's arse.
I agree with your sentiment.

If Trump had just become CEO of a company then the most sensible thing for a detractor to do might be to sell their shares and leave that company to stew in the consequences of the dreadful choice they just made.

But Trump will shortly become the most powerful man on Earth (although he has a challenger for that title in his mate Putin). There is no way to limit your exposure to the consequences of that fact. A detractor in his right mind would be desperately seeking to limit the damage that Trump is able to do, and Romney may see gaining a position in Trump's inner circle and the role of Secretary of State as a way to do that.
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Old 29th November 2016, 06:56 PM
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Romney would be a far better choice than giuliani, in my opinion. Sure he believes we get our own planet when we die, Jesus hung out in Missouri, Joseph Smith had magic powers just like special underwear but all in all, much saner than giuliani - yes, thats what its come to.
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Old 29th November 2016, 08:19 PM
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Apologies for random tangential musings in this post...

I had lunch with a former colleague I hadn't seen for a few years. Intelligent guy, good company. We talked Trump and his main thing was that he was fed up with what he called "identity politics". He thought Muslim face coverings should be banned. He said he was still on the left, but he had taken on this sort of anti-elite, anti-puritan, anti-SJW stance which I hadn't expected to see. He was quite animated about it, a classic example of the anger that has infiltrated the zeitgeist. I think he felt the puritan left were to blame for Trump.

I read an article comparing the Trump/Brexit phenomenon with the popular anti-war, anti-establishment anti-war movement of the late 60s.

Then I read a book about the anarchist punk band Crass. The mainstream press hated them in 1978. Crass had a nemesis named Garry Bushell, who was a member of the Trotskyist International Socialists and also a music journo for Sounds Magazine. Bushell's camp felt that punk had to be working class, had to be socialist, and he derided Crass' middle class anarchism. I got curious about Garry Bushell, and waddyaknow, he's become an English nationalist and is now a member of UKIP.

It's like the earth's magnetic field has flipped, the left has become the right, communists are now fascists. Very strange. My friend and I hardly got around to talking about Trump. Nowadays it's all shouting shouting shouting, and while all the shouting's going on, Trump became President, Pence is vice President, Roe vs Wade is under threat, racism and sexism are winning strategies, and Nazis are sieg heiling in Washington.

My other former friend - who I hadn't seen since 1970s school days and recently discovered is now a multimillionaire and active lobbyist for the religious right - rang me last week to gloat about Trump. His magnetic field is unchanged. Presumably he doesn't mind the "socialist" policies of tariffs and government spending to boost employment.
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Old 29th November 2016, 09:30 PM
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Apologies for random tangential musings in this post...

I had lunch with a former colleague I hadn't seen for a few years. Intelligent guy, good company. We talked Trump and his main thing was that he was fed up with what he called "identity politics". He thought Muslim face coverings should be banned. He said he was still on the left, but he had taken on this sort of anti-elite, anti-puritan, anti-SJW stance which I hadn't expected to see. He was quite animated about it, a classic example of the anger that has infiltrated the zeitgeist. I think he felt the puritan left were to blame for Trump.

I read an article comparing the Trump/Brexit phenomenon with the popular anti-war, anti-establishment anti-war movement of the late 60s.

Then I read a book about the anarchist punk band Crass. The mainstream press hated them in 1978. Crass had a nemesis named Garry Bushell, who was a member of the Trotskyist International Socialists and also a music journo for Sounds Magazine. Bushell's camp felt that punk had to be working class, had to be socialist, and he derided Crass' middle class anarchism. I got curious about Garry Bushell, and waddyaknow, he's become an English nationalist and is now a member of UKIP.

It's like the earth's magnetic field has flipped, the left has become the right, communists are now fascists. Very strange. My friend and I hardly got around to talking about Trump. Nowadays it's all shouting shouting shouting, and while all the shouting's going on, Trump became President, Pence is vice President, Roe vs Wade is under threat, racism and sexism are winning strategies, and Nazis are sieg heiling in Washington.

My other former friend - who I hadn't seen since 1970s school days and recently discovered is now a multimillionaire and active lobbyist for the religious right - rang me last week to gloat about Trump. His magnetic field is unchanged. Presumably he doesn't mind the "socialist" policies of tariffs and government spending to boost employment.
Interesting post stylofone. The only thing i'm surprised you find curious is the line between communists being fascists and vice versa given that they've always inhabited that realm of ideology that thinks mass murder and oppression are ok if its for the ideology. They've always been the same from that perspective, flipping is easy.

Maybe, without a hell of a lot of conviction, the wild anarchy of internet confirmation bias combined with the boredom of good bureaucratic governance leads to the politics of vacuous stupidity, petty prejudice and a burning apocalyptic fantasy because its damn fun in fiction and the line between fiction and fantasy is so blurred that our species is facing a weird arse nightmare of information insanity?
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Old 29th November 2016, 10:13 PM
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The only thing i'm surprised you find curious is the line between communists being fascists and vice versa given that they've always inhabited that realm of ideology that thinks mass murder and oppression are ok if its for the ideology. They've always been the same from that perspective, flipping is easy.
Extremist crazies are like aliens. I'm not used to them.
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Extremist crazies are like aliens. I'm not used to them.
Is this true? Which aliens are they like?
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Old 30th November 2016, 03:45 AM
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Is this true? Which aliens are they like?
Aldebaren Slime Worms!

And back to Donald Trump. I understand now where a lot of his issues come from, he doesn't know how to logic!

In responce to the CNN and other news sites reaction to his claims of voter rigging we have this;

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Pathetic - you have no sufficient evidence that Donald Trump did not suffer from voter fraud, shame! Bad reporter.
Apparently to refute an argument or point you have to have evidence to demonstrate it to be wrong even though no evidence has ever been presented that it is correct. How exactly do you find evidence of no voter fraud?

And the first amendment rules don't apply to him;

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Nobody should be allowed to burn the American flag - if they do, there must be consequences - perhaps loss of citizenship or year in jail!
So, a person born in the USA of USAian parents can't be stripped of citizenship can they? So automatic year in prison? Can't see that going down well, the prisons are already full aren't they? Going to eat popcorn and warm my hands by the cosy heat of an american flag bonfire, I expect lots of them, they shouldn't be hard to find!

http://www.news.com.au/world/north-a...d396cae7b3981d
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Old 30th November 2016, 06:58 AM
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Aldebaren Slime Worms!
So, a person born in the USA of USAian parents can't be stripped of citizenship can they? So automatic year in prison? Can't see that going down well, the prisons are already full aren't they? Going to eat popcorn and warm my hands by the cosy heat of an american flag bonfire, I expect lots of them, they shouldn't be hard to find!
I feel the urge to burn a flag or two myself! Maybe Trump fanboy Cory Bernadi can tweet something similar about the Australian flag.

And the aliens are like the one in "The Thing"... the awesome 80s version of course.
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Old 30th November 2016, 02:53 PM
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Draining of the swamp continues

Trump expected to name private-equity investor and former Goldman Sachs executive Steve Mnuchin to Treasury

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...dd0_story.html
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