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Old 20th April 2017, 09:03 AM
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Urgh. Explaining the unknown in terms of more unknowns and creating a victim instead of helping the poor woman. What asholes. One of the few times when the americans could validly fly in a rescue mission and extract her to somewhere safe.
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Urgh. Explaining the unknown in terms of more unknowns and creating a victim instead of helping the poor woman. What asholes. One of the few times when the americans could validly fly in a rescue mission and extract her to somewhere safe.

So, not America then?
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Urgh. Explaining the unknown in terms of more unknowns and creating a victim instead of helping the poor woman. What asholes. One of the few times when the americans could validly fly in a rescue mission and extract her to somewhere safe.
That's not how you rescue people.

Rescuing people involves dropping bombs on them and firing missiles at them. Then banning them from entering your country. Everyone knows that.
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Rescuing people involves dropping bombs on them and firing missiles at them. Then banning them from entering your country. Everyone knows that.
And that, Children, is why Uncle Goaty recommends you avoid "saviours" of any type.

In order to save, they Do Things.
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That's not how you rescue people.

Rescuing people involves dropping bombs on them and firing missiles at them. Then banning them from entering your country. Everyone knows that.
There is nothing inherently wrong with using force or violence to prevent greater violence, but it is rarely applied properly. Hence the saying violent begets more violence.

Violence, when used by police or army can only be productive when such agencies are not only "honest brokers", but also perceived as honest brokers by participants.

The first condition is hard, the second condition, almost impossible to achieve.

If you have racist or otherwise biased police, then [even when they get it right], their actions will always be regarded with suspicion, so perhaps it is almost as good not to have police at all than have police who's biases in enforcement, and the application of violence [eg the use of firearms] can be counter-productive.

The same is true for "peace-keeping". When I was in Cyprus, the Greek and Turkish Cypriots were at odds with each other. British "policing" of the situation was not seen as fair and effective by either belligerent. So UN Peacekeeper were brought in. Someone in the UN had a functioning brain, and the peace-keepers were Scandinavian. [Norwegians, Finns and Danes from memory], but the Rules of Engagement for those UN troops really sucked. They became cannon-fodder for both sides. Not unusual for many UN peace-keeping missions.
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There is nothing inherently wrong with using force or violence to prevent greater violence, but it is rarely applied properly. Hence the saying violent begets more violence.

Violence, when used by police or army can only be productive when such agencies are not only "honest brokers", but also perceived as honest brokers by participants.

The first condition is hard, the second condition, almost impossible to achieve.

If you have racist or otherwise biased police, then [even when they get it right], their actions will always be regarded with suspicion, so perhaps it is almost as good not to have police at all than have police who's biases in enforcement, and the application of violence [eg the use of firearms] can be counter-productive.

True, Dutton is still insistent that the refugees on Manus Island started to trouble, still quoting a currently unsupported claim that 3 refugees were seen escorting a local 5yo boy into the camp. Regardless of the provocation, a) firing randomly into the camp is just as likely to hit the 5yo boy as anyone else, and b) any incident isn't justification for military forces to open fire on civilians except if they are fear of their own lives, and even then you would have to work hard to convince me it was the right thing to do.


However Dutton seems to think he can justify it by claiming the refugees provoked the military.


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Australiaís immigration minister is sticking to his version of events surrounding a young boy entering the Manus Island asylum seeker centre despite differing information from local police.


Mr Dutton says he has information that isnít public and he still believes the incident sparked a shooting at the Papua New Guinea immigration detention centre on Good Friday.


The minister last week said PNG defence personnel may have opened fire because three asylum seekers were spotted leading a five-year-old boy towards the immigration centre.

http://www.news.com.au/national/poli...0b9f87527f4d63


Using violence to constrain more violence is a very fine line, I think we've wandered a bit of topic here from the original thread but oh well, that's how conversations often go in real life as well. Life would be pretty boring if we didn't run off topic sometimes
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