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Old 25th May 2017, 08:36 PM
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@SB - IMO, your post is profoundly wrong, on multiple levels.

I agree that a decision needs to be made, as it surely will be.

I do not know whether these charges should be laid. Further, AFAIK, the publicly available information does not permit such a judgment to be made.

I certainly know that there is insufficient information for us to say



PS - FTFY.

Most in the world know or should know that he's a pompous prat, but perhaps you might reflect on the multiple difficulties with -





In conclusion: FFS - There's no place for an old fashioned witch hunt.
Eh, excuse a combination of me being lazy with my English and my fingers being fat on my phone.
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A decision needs to be made, the right charges then would need to be laid, a conviction needs to be entered into (thanks). Then and only then, he will be guilty of being more than a pompous prat, what ever happens his church will roll on unlikely to be diminished in a suitable way, the truly guilty party, the church, will escape.
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Old 30th May 2017, 10:45 AM
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Related: We've lost a hero.

Goodbye, Anthony Foster, and thank you.

Independent Australia article.


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Anthony was always willing to take the hits for victims and survivors while also encouraging them to find their own voice in the knowledge that truth finds the real eloquence in words.
So often he stood in the line of fire, not speaking over others but speaking up with others, like the time he and Chrissie paid their own way to Rome to support survivors when George Pell gave evidence by video to the Royal Commission, citing he was too ill to travel in person to Australia.
Disarmingly and brutally honest about the nature of crimes against their own and other children, they made one likewise determined not to euphemise the facts or euthanise the truth.
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Related: We've lost a hero.

Goodbye, Anthony Foster, and thank you.

Independent Australia article.

Vale Anthony. I will never forget when he was being interviewed. He was so able to communicate with words and language how betrayed he was by the church and how disappointed he was in the churches doing all they could to avoid and hide the problem.
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Peter Fitzsimons in the Fairfax media:

Charging the cardinal is a tiny part of the story

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I genuinely have no firm view as to the likely guilt or innocence of Cardinal George Pell on the grave charges of child sexual abuse levelled against him, and do not seek to pre-judge the legal process in any way.

But whatever happens in his particular case, it is worth noting the accolades coming Australia's way for the fact that the Royal Commission into Child Sexual Abuse begun by the Gillard government has accomplished so much in turning a much-needed spotlight onto the horrors of rampant sexual abuse by the Catholic clergy over the decades.

The charges brought against Cardinal Pell, the highest-ranked Catholic ever so charged, have brought world attention to the fact that – as pointed out by Gold Walkley-winning journalist Joanne McCarthy, whose work was responsible for it – we are the only country in the world that gone to the level of a national royal commission in examining Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse.

It has been inspirational for myriad other abuse survivors around the world, with, for example, the highly influential US-based Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests (SNAP) noting, its "hope that the Australian government's long and extensive investigation into institutional abuse inspires other countries to follow in their footsteps and hold similar hearings".

Again, I say, take a bow, Joanne McCarthy and Julia Gillard and all those who have had the courage to step up. Pell is only a tiny part of the whole story, but it is a victory for the law, and for abuse survivors worldwide, that even so powerful a priest can have those charges tested in a court of law.

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Old 10th September 2017, 09:14 PM
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I will just drop this in here with the comment, it's remarkable how similar practices have been undertaken by the same church worldwide, well probably not remarkable then, probably not even a coincidence. It's also remarkable how similar the defences are, it's almost as if they have some sort of agreement on how to respond;


http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-41200949


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The death records indicate that most of the children died of natural causes, from diseases common at the time such as TB, pneumonia and pleurisy.

Analysis of the records show that a third of those who died were aged five or under. Very few of those who died, 24 in total, were aged over 15, and most of the deaths occurred between 1870 and 1930.
One of those believed to be buried there is Francis McColl. He died in 1961, aged 13; his death certificate indicates he died from a brain haemorrhage.

His brother Eddie spent decades wondering what had happened to Francis. At one point, he heard he'd been struck on the head by a golf club, which now chimes with the evidence of the death certificate.

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Two representatives of the Daughters of Charity gave evidence to the inquiry this summer in which they said they could find no records of any abuse taking place.

The nuns refused to respond to detailed questions from reporters about how many people were buried in the mass grave.

In a statement, they said they were "co-operating fully" with the Child Abuse Inquiry and that they believed that was the "best and most appropriate forum for such investigations".


They continued: "...as Daughters of Charity our values are totally against any form of abuse and thus, we offer our most sincere and heartfelt apology to anyone who suffered any form of abuse whilst in our care".

No record of abuse taking place, yeah right, children who are in an abusive situation, specially a closed institution like these, don't tend to complain about abuse because, remarkably it just seems to make the abuse worse.


Strange how the same song seems to repeat itself over and over.
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I will just drop this in here with the comment, it's remarkable how similar practices have been undertaken by the same church worldwide, well probably not remarkable then, probably not even a coincidence. It's also remarkable how similar the defences are, it's almost as if they have some sort of agreement on how to respond;


http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-41200949








No record of abuse taking place, yeah right, children who are in an abusive situation, specially a closed institution like these, don't tend to complain about abuse because, remarkably it just seems to make the abuse worse.


Strange how the same song seems to repeat itself over and over.
These stories leave me jaded, almost, always seems to be when you create an external authority with respect to morality, your morality stops working.
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ABC RE Article on reforms that the RCC should implement to prevent a recurrence of the current abuse saga in 20-30 years time.

Original report is from RMIT. Listening to it now.
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ABC RE Article on reforms that the RCC should implement to prevent a recurrence of the current abuse saga in 20-30 years time.

Original report is from RMIT. Listening to it now.
Reforms, hah, I blow my nose on your reforms.

The reason is this, raping a child is, and was then illegal, it was wrong, it was immoral, people in the RCC ignored the law, people ignored the people ignoring the law to the extent they were complicit in children getting raped. Any changes that aren't backed by legal requirements for reporting and compulsory action for breach, and monitoring by an external independent group are just going to be ignored all over again. Internal reform almost never works.
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Reforms, hah, I blow my nose on your reforms.

The reason is this, raping a child is, and was then illegal, it was wrong, it was immoral, people in the RCC ignored the law, people ignored the people ignoring the law to the extent they were complicit in children getting raped. Any changes that aren't backed by legal requirements for reporting and compulsory action for breach, and monitoring by an external independent group are just going to be ignored all over again. Internal reform almost never works.
I said the same in the comments section and the moderator declined to post it.
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